2004-11-17, 15:47 | Link #81 | |
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2004-11-17, 16:21 | Link #82 |
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Does anyone else realize that if every leader/terrorist that leads their people using religion suddenly dropped down dead the world would be a hundred times better off ?
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2004-11-17, 16:22 | Link #83 | |
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It is a huge (and wrong) assumption to say all pro Bush people are Christians. I don't even see how mentioning Judeo-Christianity is even relevant to the discussion at hand. Ah well, just for the sake of it, I should point out that Jesus himself said in Matthew 10:34 "Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword." |
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2004-11-17, 16:30 | Link #84 | |
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2004-11-17, 16:40 | Link #85 |
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that would make it a thousand times better , but I doubt many would be willing to just give up their religious beliefs . Religions such as Islam , christianity , Zeus , JW ect. that believe everyone who doesnt think what they think is going to hell are the kinds of religions that are very hard to strip people from - It can take years to get even the basic problems with religion across to someone who believes in one of those .
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2004-11-17, 17:10 | Link #86 | |
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Hitler, and Stalin. Both *gasp! are Atheist! Of course, you're going to counter with all of this Jihad and Crusade ideas, but that's just flawed. If that were true, then why are the Muslims attacking each other? It's not because of religious beliefs (Although you can argue for the Shites and Sunnis), but because of the scarcity of water and land. Why did the French treat their Indo-China Colonies so bad? Not because the Natives did not want to learn about Christianity, nor did God Compel the French to believe they're the masters there. They did it to help France. Even if all Religion were to be wiped out of the world, this world will be in the same situation. Stop blaming God, Yahweh, Allah, Zeus, Thor, the stars, or even Satan/Ifrit/Diablo for all of the World's problems. Take a look at yourself, you don't even like Religion, and guess what? You just insulted a bunch of people that do believe in their Religion. Oh No! You just started another conflict. The reasons Political Leaders do that is to get reelected. Hell if I was elected President and I personally believe in the dead religion of Deism, but that's not the point. I would still have to thank God and the people. The world will only be a better place if you're willing to tolerate other people's beliefs. |
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2004-11-17, 18:05 | Link #88 | |
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2004-11-17, 18:17 | Link #89 |
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World would be a better place without Politiciens, Leaders, Kings, God. Religion is part of that. I mean, who needs a leader ? Animals dont have leaders. Like in the law of nature, Only the strongest survive, the weak one dies.
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2004-11-17, 18:20 | Link #90 | |
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True. But today's world is not like that. That's not how the world works as you can see. Eventually the human race will move pass religion and we will open our eyes and see how stupid we were back then. Untill that day comes people will continue killing each other over their beliefs.
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2004-11-17, 18:56 | Link #93 |
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I'm pretty sure that there weren't any terrorists strapping bombs to themselves and blowing people up and beheading of people in iraq before the war. These incidents have happened only after the war. For the "we were taking out a barbaric dictator". What about all the other hundreds of dictators that are ruling the world.
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2004-11-17, 19:00 | Link #94 |
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Bees follow the queen cause its ther mother
Wolfs follow the father of his sons and that makes a troop, once the father dies, its the oldest brother who become leader. You see, they all follow leaders because they are familly, Tell me, would you obey your parents ? |
2004-11-17, 19:01 | Link #95 | |
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Save virgins, sacrifice politicians. Just tell the politicians they are going to a free BBQ in their honor when they get off the airplane. |
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2004-11-17, 19:02 | Link #96 | |
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On the individual level, the law of nature is not always 'survival of the fittest'. A weaker animal in a stronger pack may survive due to the strength of his pack and his pack's alpha. Likewise a stronger animal in an overall weaker pack may perish. The same can be said for humans and the societies they live in. On a 'level playing field' (ie. put them both on a desert island) person A may be more apt to survive than person B. But person B may be from a rich family, he may live in a secure and technologically advanced country, while person A lives in an impoverished country and is an orphan surrounded by others like him. In this way, 'survival of the fittest' applies on many levels, not just the individual one. From this standpoint, religion in the abstract is a tool, it is a 'weapon' that helps one tribe fight another. If one tribe believes in a divine power and the afterlife where their heroic deeds will be remembered, they have a great advantage over a tribe without such a belief. Likewise, monotheism (the concept of your god being greater than all others) is a similar 'weapon' or tool. When you talk about things like leaders, kings, religions, politicians, etc., those are not removed from the law of the nature. They are part of the law of nature -- the social manifestations of 'survival of the fittest'. And the obvious conclusion -- one who doesn't like these things -- should not embrace the law of nature. |
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2004-11-17, 19:11 | Link #97 | |
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2004-11-17, 19:34 | Link #99 | |
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As for the nuke announcement, maybe he thinks there's no way the US can stop his plans, or it could just be a bluff. As I said earily on in this thread, If a US city goes up in an atomic fireball at the hands of al qaeda, cities in Islamic countries will soon share that fate and Bin laden knows it.
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2004-11-17, 19:37 | Link #100 | |
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