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View Poll Results: Umineko no Naku Koro ni - Episode 4 Rating | |||
Perfect 10 | 30 | 16.76% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 45 | 25.14% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 42 | 23.46% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 32 | 17.88% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 15 | 8.38% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 8 | 4.47% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 5 | 2.79% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 1 | 0.56% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 0 | 0% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 1 | 0.56% | |
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2009-07-22, 20:40 | Link #81 | |
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It's not like you knew much about the characters from Higurashi during the Question arcs in the Anime. You learned a bit about Rena, K1 was virtually cut away completely from the Anime...it's not like they didn't butcher Higurashi, too, in a way....there just weren't so many people ranting how bad the series is. At that time there were like 3 people always telling that there was 'this missing and that missing' and the 30 or 40 people watching the Anime as first timers thought 'who cares, I like it'. Now it is the other way around in a way, it's maybe 10-20 anime only watchers, against an ARMY of VN-readers who all rant about their individual most beloved character/BGM/scene/picture/room/weather/sickness not getting enough recognition from DEEN.
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2009-07-22, 20:40 | Link #82 | |
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2009-07-22, 20:43 | Link #83 |
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With regards to Maria's face being funny than scary, it's supposed to be that way. I remember when I played the game that it was more of a comical effect than scary at this point. And with Battler giving the "tsukkomi" bonk, it adds to the comedic effect during the times of despair.
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2009-07-22, 20:44 | Link #84 |
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I really want to read the VN ._. but thing is, I'm no good at Japanese; never learned enough yet. Well, but after having watched the series completely, I will buy it, no matter what. After all, I like some characters up to this point, and that's saying something (Battler, Beatrice and Eva.. because Evas voice is from Higurashi <3) Marias voice might be from Higurashi too, but I don't see any Hanyuu in her.. stupid little brat that she is, when Hanyuu was cute and always wanting to protect Rika-chama.
@Klashikari: Sorry, I guess I overlooked it ._. I don't have much time to read through the forum everyday, and it ends up me always only discussing the episodes =/ will take the translated version, thank you. and also thanks @Kitsu ^^ |
2009-07-22, 20:44 | Link #85 |
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I'm fine without Rena and Rika, I wonder why xDD But is someoneelse here disturbed that george said he wanted to kill? wasn't he the calm one who wanted the police to get the culprit @Umineko No good with japanese? NO PROBLEM! We have the Witch-Hunt! An awesome tranlator team www.witch-hunt.com @ Vandakiara I had to beat you
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The problem is... Ryukishi really don't have the knack at drawing and make the mood more relying on the description and readers' imagination (i.e corpses etc). Thus, stating it is "working as intended" despite Maria arguably have a very poor expression panel on the "creepy mode" doens't mean much here. Quote:
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So it is no wonder he has a rage fit, even for a single moment.
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2009-07-22, 21:00 | Link #87 | |
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I never felt something menacing from Maria either and always imagined it rather out of place in a grotesque/funny way what she was doing/saying. She always reminded me of the Cheshire Cat during Episode 1. That's the 'problem' you have, when you translate something from a written medium, with very little visual evidence (and I don't count Maria's bratty/scary/angry/annoyed all-in-one face as a good visual evidence). Much is up to the reader's imagination and the reader's imagination is formed by things he has read, he relates those descriptions to. In that way you can't say that the depiction is WRONG, because you don't have Ryûkishi sitting next to you saying 'That's not what I intended...'. Just because it is not what you/or however many other fans saw inside your head(s), doesn't prove it wrong instantly. And one can find many things unsettling and 'creepy', a dancing clown on a beach on an abandoned island would be creepy too if you would witness it...but watching a movie showing that you would probably laugh.
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2009-07-22, 21:04 | Link #88 | |
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And once again I've been watching another summary of the story. Maria did her screwed up faces again and is more than I could handle anymore. It was hilarious to watch Battler bonk her on the head a few times but it was hardly enough. He should do it more often dammit! Meanwhile Maria's expressions ARE supposed to be creepy, not funny, so if people are finding her funny then the wrong image has already been portrayed from her anime self. In this case DEEN was trying too hard since they made her face fucked up 24/7.
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2009-07-22, 21:05 | Link #89 |
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I personally don't think that Maria's face should be so distorted all of the time, I also don't think the manga got it down. I figured, that if Ryukishi07 wanted a super contorted psycho face for Maria, then he would draw one himself and put the sprite up in the right scenes. He is indeed at least capable of drawing a psycho looking face.
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2009-07-22, 21:20 | Link #90 | |
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2009-07-22, 21:32 | Link #92 | |
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Hence, I have no issue that it is up to someone to consider how the mood is, given a certain context, but I don't think a "working as intended" can be claimed here. All is left afterwards is if people agree with the vision of the animators regarding this, which is a mixed bag as you can see. Anyway, after watching a proper raw, my blunt reactions would be: Spoiler for reactions:
Too many things they did wrong in my books , despite they cut even less than before, even putting stuff that were skipped previously (as you can see, I'm more annoyed by the execution rather than the content in fact). And with another reckless pace, to boot. Ah well... more time for Episode 2-3-4 then... Now, as usual: Episode 1-4: screencaps, summaru and comments and as for the TIPS/ Episode 1-4: Blunder
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2009-07-22, 21:32 | Link #93 | |
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2009-07-22, 21:47 | Link #94 |
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Now what kind fan wouldn't want an adaption to be perfect? Or at least as close as possible to the original (or why call it an adaption in the first place?). Alas, If they did "try hard" then we will see, but Maria's expressions are a joke in comparison (ie they didn't try and though that big eyes and a big grin reflects the actual mood).
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2009-07-22, 21:56 | Link #95 | |
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2009-07-22, 21:56 | Link #96 |
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Just saw the raw. I really don't have an issue with all the cuts since they could also wrap those up in the next arc, my bigger issue would be the contents of episode 5. I mean, is there even even enough content in the post-arc sections to last 20+ minutes? Maybe if they choose to gleefully animate the more... sadistic scenes.
The best possibility is that they could have Battler talk of the mising exposition scenes a little bit, and completely animate the VN dialogue for the post-arc scenes to fill up 24 minutes. Will post more comments with the subs later.
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2009-07-22, 22:25 | Link #97 | |
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2009-07-22, 22:38 | Link #99 | |
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2009-07-22, 22:48 | Link #100 |
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Psycho Natsuhi scene needed to be longer!! But the rest was pretty good (except for the pacing in the first part and the part where George was crying, I'm sick of the boob/butt shots every 2 minutes).
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