To Aru Majutsu no Index Light Novel Discussion (Archives)

[sasuke706]

Originally Posted by outerelf

even after discarding Misaka as an idea.

To pre-amnesia Touma, Mikoto was 'that annoying middleschool kid who keeps attacking me', not to mention he was in a hurry, so he had to use a phone, and as he didn't know Mikoto's number then, his options were quite limited. Plus he was looking for a way to save Index, not K.O. Stiyl and Kaori.

And about the Queen's overpoweredness, didn't Touma say that 'with a single touch' there's a level 5 Esper who can alter memories? Her ranged abilities might be limited to mind reading and slight manipulation—not full-blown mind control.

[Flere821]

Well SS2 of Index isn't one long continuous story either... it's about Gemstones (natural espers), but that isn't an overarching theme in all the chapters there.

Then again it's moot point if you don't like SS2 >.>

Though, thanks for your summary of that

[Miraluka]

Originally Posted by Marcus H.

I'm even having thoughts that Aogami Pierce is a KIHARA.

Now come to my mind the part of tha summary which says Amata-kun has a son involved in the dark side, but his name never was revealed .

[outerelf]

Originally Posted by sasuke706

To pre-amnesia Touma, Mikoto was 'that annoying middleschool kid who keeps attacking me', not to mention he was in a hurry, so he had to use a phone, and as he didn't know Mikoto's number then, his options were quite limited. Plus he was looking for a way to save Index, not K.O. Stiyl and Kaori.

I remember- I brought this up before somewhere else. The response: "Though it IS possible Aogami's a hidden level 5 - way back in vol1 of the novels, Aogami was the first guy Touma thought of as someone 'Strong' to help him fight against magicians and save Index, placed even before Mikoto."

Found the quote:

Quote: 既然如此，那只好打电话叫人来帮忙了。要找蓝发耳环？还是找放电妹美琴？上条脑中浮现了几个就 算把他们卷入 事件之中，大概也不会有问题的“强者”。 - Vol1, Chapter 2

Translations: If so, then the only thing to do is call someone for help. Should I get Aogami Pierce? Or Biribiri Misaka Mikoto? Kamijou's mind thought of some 'Strong' people that even if he get them involved in this incident there won't be any problems.

[Asuras]

Originally Posted by sasuke706

To pre-amnesia Touma, Mikoto was 'that annoying middleschool kid who keeps attacking me', not to mention he was in a hurry, so he had to use a phone, and as he didn't know Mikoto's number then, his options were quite limited. Plus he was looking for a way to save Index, not K.O. Stiyl and Kaori.

And about the Queen's overpoweredness, didn't Touma say that 'with a single touch' there's a level 5 Esper who can alter memories? Her ranged abilities might be limited to mind reading and slight manipulation—not full-blown mind control.

Ah, that makes sense. I don't recall him ever saying that, or I haven't read that far.

[Miraluka]

Originally Posted by cubicjack

Kanzaki ss part 4 summary:

Spoiler for kanzaki ss pt 4:

This time, the problem is that the "Brick Wharf" located in northern Scotland is taken over by an opposing force. That opposing force is actually an artificial magic lifeform created by the person who manages the wharf. The wharf is actually from the Industrial Revolution period, but is now used as one of the main magical defenses of the United Kingdom. If this facility is destroyed or if other countries know of this incident, it could mean danger to the country. Kanzaki and co are sent to resolve the matter before it worsens.

There, they meet up with スラッパール (the manager of the wharf), who claims to be chased out of the building by Alfar. 3 KM away from the wharf, they talk about a couple of things.
1) スラッパール is incapable of using complex magic. He was born with this disadvantage.
2) He careated Alfar (the artificial lifeform who captured the facility) to help him cast complex magic and overcome his weakness.
3) Alfar possesses the knowledge to run the facility, and can possibly create more artificial lifeforms.
4) The wharf's main weapon is a magical cannon with a 200 KM range. The cannon fires an invisible blast that analyzes the victims' magic and sends out a signal to make them lose control of their magic and damaging their bodies.
5) Alfar probably rigged the cannon so that when she dies, the cannon would be destroyed, thus crippling the UK's defenses.

They were able to get this close to the building by hiding from bush to bush. Then Kanzaki just stood up and walked towards the building without getting hurt even if she was hit. This is because the Amakusa's magic is a mix between Christianty, Bhuddism and Shintoism. If the cannon reacts to her Christianity-based magic pattern, she can immediately change to Bhuddism. Then when the cannon reacts to her Bhuddism magic pattern, she can change to Shintoism and so forth. By cycling her magic patterns, she can effectively avoid the effects of the cannon and walk towards the building without being hurt.

Once inside the building, she meets Alfar. After fending off a creature with the head of a crocodile and the body of a dog that Alfar sent out, Alfar ran away, then later Kanzaki discovered a room with more monsterous-looking creatures in large spherical containers (not sure what the correct term for those "containers" are). She thought Alfar created them to help her fight. Then she was surprised attacked by Alfar. Meanwhile, waiting outside, when the jeans shop owner was about to go towards the building to help Kanzaki, he was surprise attacked by スラッパール.

Back inside the facility, Kanzaki was unharmed by Alfar's surprise attack by using her wires to create a 3D magic "circle" that protected her from Alfar's attack. Alfar then told her that she didn't create those other lifeforms. They were originally normal animals that "evolved" into their current monstrous state because of Alfar's existence. It seems that Alfar has the power to cause life around her to evolve, and humans are no exception. The evolution happens within a few hours. Those monstrous-looking creature were put into those containers by Alfar to slow down their "evolution". It seems that even if she dies, her corpse would still have the same effect, so committing suicide would not make things better. Because Alfar doesn't want to affect people and animals around her anymore, she decided to isolate herself in this facility until she finds a solution.

Then スラッパール appeared and attacked Kanzaki. スラッパール fights by by creating and using trillions of snowflake-like runes to generate a flood of acid (Alfar also uses the same way of creating runes as スラッパール). It's a simple magic, but he can make up for it with amount. However, Kanzaki easily defended against the attack. He explained that natural alfars (elves) also have the ability to cause life to evolve, but at a much slower rate. スラッパール initially created Alfar to help him overcome his weekness, but the "finished product" just happened to have a much more magnified evolution-inducing power than natural elves. スラッパール wanted to make use of Alfar's evolution-inducing property to make himself evolve so that he could lose his weakness. During the development, he did some adjustments to the wharf's magical defence cannon. But because it became a big issue, he had to notify the Necessaruis. As such, he made a lie and pretended to be defeated and chased out of the building by Alfar.

Next, Kanzaki attacked Alfar with her wires and killed her. Seeing that his only hope was lost, スラッパール lost the will to battle and was captured by Kanzaki. However, Alfar didn't die. Kanzaki only scratched her, then used her own blood together with some magic to make it look like that blood splurted out of Alfar's body, and it tricked スラッパール to make him think that Alfar died. In the end, Alfar was being taken to another research facility which is currently developing a spiritual device to control this kind of evolution-inducing power.

Seriously, it's getting boring. I don't like the fact that this SS is not one big continuous story. It feels like every time the villains do these kinds of stuff for petty reasons, and the way these issues are resolved lack any sort of excitement or surprise. This SS is really uninteresting compared to the Stiyl/Bardway SS and the Railgun Liberal Arts City SS. But I'm still going to continue reading it because I'm interested in the Bardway chapter and the Valkyrie chapter.

What I do like is that the jeans shop owner never fails to mention "the middle schooler Saten-san".

Again, thanks for the summary and yeah thats the weak thing about the firsts parts of it. There is a minimun of connection between them, I feel more like the author is introducing a lot of Norse Mithology.

Ah, of course, スラッパール = Slappar, I forgot to mention it before in that message.

[Von Himmel]

*Read the summary of Gunha vs Mikoto
Someone should've make a new tier list with Gunha in A or B tier

[outerelf]

Originally Posted by Flyvedelta

*Read the summary of Gunha vs Mikoto
Someone should've make a new tier list with Gunha in A or B tier

Too bad it ain't gonna happen Nobody knows how exactly the level 5's are classified- it's most common theory right now is that it's in terms of who can attain lvl 6 the easiest.

[cubicjack]

Originally Posted by Wilfriback

Ah, of course, スラッパール = Slappar, I forgot to mention it before in that message.

Seriously, how does Kamachi come up with all these weird names? Is Slappar even an actual name?

[Miraluka]

Originally Posted by cubicjack

Seriously, how does Kamachi come up with all these weird names? Is Slappar even an actual name?

I have no freak idea .

[MeisterBabylon]

He's doing kinda what I do for japanese names, grab random syllables, string them together and give it to someone.

[zeniselv]

well google shows that slappar is a wors , and slapar a name.

[IppoTsuko]

i think Touma MIGHT just be saved by Aogami Pierce (if he's the sixth level 5 which i believe he is) ()

[zeniselv]

Originally Posted by outerelf

I remember- I brought this up before somewhere else. The response: "Though it IS possible Aogami's a hidden level 5 - way back in vol1 of the novels, Aogami was the first guy Touma thought of as someone 'Strong' to help him fight against magicians and save Index, placed even before Mikoto."

Found the quote:

I always wondered why he thougth that way, after all after losing his memory he always charged on ahead of its opponent, i migth me thing that maybe just maybe he was scared of using seriously his IB.

[Kleeyook]

Originally Posted by Asuras

A prime example of many possible fetishes (or lack of).

1) The shotacon
2) The lolicon
3) That normal guy

I wonder if Touma has a fetish?

A fetish for clones

Touma has a fetish for a hot landlady (like umm, that #1 sekirei from Sekirei, the Tokiwadai dorm manager should be on his list, it's a shame Touma's dorm manager is an old landlord) which he mentioned in the vol. 5 of the LN (I heard it on anime and read it on manga version though. While Tsuchimikado is a siscon and Aogami, anything that move.

[Spyth]

Originally Posted by Asuras

A prime example of many possible fetishes (or lack of).

1) The shotacon
2) level 5 pervert
3) That normal guy

fixed. he isn't only a lolicon

[Hell_ping]

Originally Posted by MeisterBabylon

He's doing kinda what I do for japanese names, grab random syllables, string them together and give it to someone.

But at least you don't name them after something, just ask Kakarot.

Anyway, you know you really need to do some soul searching when an IB punch to the face doesn't work much on you. Maybe there's too little preaching.

[Cosmic Eagle]

Originally Posted by Suzuku

The SoB is 40km IIRC.

You know....I still can't believe how big that thing is......40km across is roughly the same size as the island I live on...

[Cosmic Eagle]

Originally Posted by Teh_Ping

Japanese to English:

1:http://jisho.org/ (By Trabius)

I highly reccomend this as well. Good for vocabulary practice.....of course, grammar is still the biggest stumbling block when it comes to translations...

Originally Posted by Teh_Ping

As for Kanzaki, name one teenage boy that looks older than her (except Stiyl).

Shiage....

Originally Posted by Suzuku

Interesting....Aleister sure has some fast moving plans.....I thought the whole thing would span at least 1.5 years or so with the 930 incident being the mid point...

Originally Posted by Used Can

Anyway, any info about Index wielding Lævateinn (aka. Freyr's magical sword)?

Wrong....Laevateinn is a weapon found in Hel....

And yes, there is mention of how as long as she has the sword up, Innocentius is helpless against her. Basically it takes the form of a glowing blade that floats around her and fights of its own accord.

Originally Posted by outerelf

Well, Accelerator has stopped killing his opponents, so it's a start.

Smashing that scientist into a helicopter bulkhead constitutes killing I think.....

[Ashaman]

Originally Posted by Suzuku

Gonna have to contest the date on the 4th Novel. That's Angel Fall, isn't it? Didn't that take place over a couple of days?

Originally Posted by Teh_Ping

Anyway, you know you really need to do some soul searching when an IB punch to the face doesn't work much on you. Maybe there's too little preaching.

Yep. Too little preaching before the first punch. THe seond might do a bit more.

But seriously Touma. Why are you such a BadAss?

I especially like the little bit with his left hand. The way its phrased makes it seem its better not to have IB, which isan interesting point of view.