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2010-12-04, 06:41 | Link #2742 |
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There is no canonical information on how effective Barrier Jackets are against kinetic effects, and the effectiveness has been debated for months on end on these forums. Sometimes quite brutally. To make a long story short, no definite conclusion was ever reached and people just somewhat agreed to stick to what they believed.
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2010-12-04, 13:50 | Link #2744 | |
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not sure if this was discussed here, but I seem uncertain on the 'stun-effect' of pure magic in the Mid-childa style (i.e. what Nanoha shoots .. because it seems Fate converts at least some of that into actual lightning (or plasma?) and Signum - into fire) .. now 1) is such magic even capable of harming/killing living tissue, i.e. people ? Because all I've seen are knock-outs even after the defences are clearly penetrated and there may even be burned clothing (I presume from overloading the linker-core or nervous system or such ... or just fatigue from defending against it .. it also may have kinetic properties, i.e. an SLB will slam you into the ground if you don't defend against it .. but as seen above slamming into the ground would be more or less a non-issue). Zest killed that claws-girl, but he was Belkan-style and did have a sword. I think it (again - I'm talking mostly about Nanoha's beam-spams) being unable to harm living things isn't such a stretch, because it's bio-generated, and as such cannot harm bio-material (unless converted into something else). But clarifications from canon would be nice. tldr - are Nanoha's attacks like lasers/DBZ ki-blasts, which affect everything the same or is it specifically non-lethal magic ? 2) I think I remember at least a few times 'stun-mode' being mentioned. So does Nanoha have to deliberately switch to stun-mode not to kill ? And if she doesn't switch - her attacks would erase her opponents just like they do general concrete/rock/metal surroundings ? Or stun-mode merely guarantees no deaths, but even without it magic blasts don't affect people like they do everything else ? I got these ideas after thinking about nasuverse magic .. there mana and magic blasts are generally explosions that rip apart everything equally (i.e. Caster's beam-spams can kill nicely .. or Excalibur or Enuma Elish)
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2010-12-04, 14:03 | Link #2745 |
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We've already discussed that at page 131-133, same thread, but if you have some new canonical info feel free to add them ; Lengthy speculations can be discussed at the appropriate thread
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2010-12-04, 14:04 | Link #2746 | |
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thanks, I'll check it out
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2010-12-06, 00:22 | Link #2747 |
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http://forums.animesuki.com/showthre...44131&page=131
Oh, now i see the tiny text :3 There's also a lot of discussions int he magic/technology thread. wish someone could make theory wiki pages or soemthing. collation would be very much appreciated.
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2010-12-06, 12:28 | Link #2750 |
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In other words: no, her reason to picking that particular name hasn't been revealed yet. On a related note, "Claus" Ingvalt may be a fake name, too, since his full name apparently was "Claus G.S. Ingvalt" (prooflink, since I am too lazy to look for the chapter and page).
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2010-12-07, 09:45 | Link #2751 |
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Thanks.
Her naming sense kinda felt more significant after the whole deal with Asteion, which made me thought I might had forgotten a name of 'Heidi' being thrown somewhere amidst all of 4 pages with Ancient Belka exposition in the countless pages of training.
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2010-12-09, 11:18 | Link #2752 |
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Question about Nanoha A's .. This probably has been answered but there's too many pages to go through to find the answer ... Simply put, how come Suzuka and Alisa where caught up inside the barrier, is that even possible unless you're a mage .. ? ( I've not read the manga, maybe the answer is there .. If it is, spoil me please. )
Also how do the barriers exactly even work ? I mean we've had citywide barriers and there are no civilians around so what .. has the time frozen or something ? And when the barrier is dispelled, everything continues as normally ? I could believe this except that what about the damages caused inside the barriers.. those carry over right, wouldn't it be weird if buildings just exploded in front of you for no reason etc x.x.
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2010-12-09, 11:42 | Link #2753 | |
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2010-12-09, 11:51 | Link #2754 | ||
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#1. Arisa and Suzuka are latent mages and thus were included; perhaps there was a plan to follow up on this, but then StrikerS happened #2. When Shamal cast the barrier upon seeing the four enter Hayate's room, she tweaked it to include Arisa and Suzuka. She didn't want Nanoha or Fate to escape or contact anyone else, and so the other two were just collateral. #3. On some level, perhaps Reinforce held some blame for Arisa and Suzuka, or wanted them around when she cut everyone else off. Quote:
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2010-12-09, 12:33 | Link #2755 |
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Well I've not seen Triangle Heart.. I was actually trying to look for it just a moment ago, but to no avail ...
Anyhow, the first and second theories seem most likely .. Thanks for the replies. One more question, which I forgot to add : Is it revelaed in manga if Nanoha and Fate actually told Arisa and Suzuka ( + Nanoha's parents? ) about them being mages etc. I got the feeling they did with the few scenes as A's ended but can't be sure .. How's a normal person gonna take '' Hey I'm a magical girl '' ..
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2010-12-09, 12:45 | Link #2756 | |
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Heck, they might be glad Nanoha's going into something (anything!) other than what nearly got her father killed. I don't remember if it's 'revealed' or anything in the manga; I thought it was pretty clear from the end sequence of A's who was told.
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2010-12-09, 15:04 | Link #2759 |
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All things considered, at that point it'd be nigh-impossible to hide Nanoha and Fate (and by extension Hayate)'s abilities from Arisa and Suzuka as they had experienced it themselves. And frankly speaking I doubt the TSAB would screw with the girls' memories, and even if they would, Lindy and Nanoha and them would oppose it.
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