2010-10-14, 12:00 | Link #181 | |
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Yeah... I'm trying to stay close to the spirit of the characters, but frankly my writing style is a lot different from Nasu's and I'm afraid it will show through. I guess I should take it as a compliment if I'm having trouble keeping it dumb enough Rider is actually not as untaunting as she could be. It only seems to be when she has a clear advantage (Against Saber while scaling the buildings in Fate, against Shirou in the woods in UBW), and only when Shinji is her Master, but she's got kind of a snarky side to her. Of course, I may be slightly biased in my opinions by my remembrances of the anime, where Karen Strassman's voice work just had this delicious purring contempt to everything she said, even stuff that wasn't supposed to be snarky or contemptuous. I have an unvoiced version of the game, so when I think of Rider speaking that is the voice I hear. All I can assume is that civilians in the Nasuverse are either complete morons or the smartest people in the story. Depending on whether they just don't notice what's happening, or have the good sense to ignore it and live a little bit longer. They were probably paying attention to Tsukihime, where civilians who interrupt get eaten by chaos beasts. |
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2010-10-14, 15:54 | Link #182 | |
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I'm guessing that Shinji is seriously screwed here, now that Berserker is after him. Not sure if you're going to beleatedly form the Rin/Shirou alliance, or if Rin is going to storm off in a huff after all this and say that she honestly will absolutely definitely kill Shirou the next time they meet.... |
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2010-10-14, 23:16 | Link #184 | |
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I'm more wondering what Ilya will do during this. Will she reveal herself to be Berserker's master, or will she pretend to just be passing by to test how Shirou reacts? We haven't gotten the obligatory "Shirou getting horribly wounded for the main heroine" yet, after all. |
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2010-10-15, 02:30 | Link #185 | |
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More likely she'll probably consider Shirou even more of a threat and take him more seriously.
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Indeed, I'm not sure this story will even have one, as such. It seems like Mozco is intending to involve everyone, and whilst Shirou will certainly have a close relationship with Ilya at the end of this, I hope that it won't become sexual in nature, because Shirou is not a paedophile, and regardless of her actual age, Ilya looks like a ten-year-old. That, coupled with the fact that she's his sister makes a sexual relationship very hard to implement. Plus, even if one happened, Ilya wouldn't enjoy it, because she has the body of a child. Children are not supposed to have sex, and if she does so it will really fucking hurt. Quote:
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2010-10-15, 08:33 | Link #187 | ||||
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It's coined the "Ilya Route". There's obviously a main heroine, even if other characters are getting adequate screen time.
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2010-10-15, 08:36 | Link #188 | ||||
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As for Ilya, she definitely does not want Shirou to know she is a Master if at all possible. She's still interested in figuring out his real personality, and doesn't want to put him on guard against her. She won't even be letting him see her if she can avoid it. Quote:
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Kill anything that has attacked Shirou? Now suddenly Rin and Archer are added to the dead list, and Rin has ample evidence to believe that somehow or another that no-count she was expecting to be eliminated early on has managed to form a gamebreaking alliance on his second day in the War. Kill anything that gets close to Shirou? Now things are getting a bit crazy, and even Shirou will be trying to stop Berserker if he starts going after Saber or something like that. Quote:
It really, really depends on how Shirou and Ilya interact and if I actually start to see a romance flowing naturally from it as I write their scenes together. I can work either way into the plot easily enough, and both have their pros and cons. An Ilya romance would make certain plot points near the end work much more easily, and would definitely add more emotion to their interactions throughout. And... to be blunt, I'm actually an Ilya fan, and I like the thought of her finally landing her Shirou. I've even written out the confession scene already, just in case I get a chance to use it. But it would also make their relationship far more complicated to write and take much more work to develop. I wonder, really, how well I could pull it off... |
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Seriously, Shirou x Ilya simply does not make sense, and having a bunch of lolicons begging you to write it does not make it make more sense. Quote:
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I think it could be done believably. I'm just not sure I could do it believably... Quote:
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I'm just going to play Devil's Advocate here.
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As for it being a far more natural development, how do you back that up? They don't have a pre-existing brother/sister relationship. Shirou is unaware of her before the events of F/SN, and Ilya sees him as a target of wrath. Any sort of positive bond they may have starts from the same point: square one. Just because they in the legal sense step-siblings is no reason to insist they'd just up and fall into that relationship. Quote:
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Even if we were inexplicably binding ourselves to strict canon, on what grounds do you say that? Ilya is characterized primarily as wanting to 'possess' Shirou in some way, and how specifically she wants to possess him is not ever really addressed. The degree to which she becomes interested in him makes any case you want to make viable, and all you're really working with to make the siblings-only case are... A) That they happen to be adopted even though this has never actually had any bearing on them in their entire lives and B) That she calls him "Onii-chan", which is a term young children use to describe young-adult men affectionately. For full adults, it's often "Oji-san", and for elders "Ojii-san." Doesn't actually mean anything else given that she's trying to kill him for a good part of the time she's calling him that. Quote:
Even if we cede that thought and say "Yes, Ilya will be forced to grow up faster", why is that not a story worth telling? It'd basically make the story the same theme for Ilya as it ultimately is for Shirou: coming of age. If we're going to complain about people being very suddenly forced to grow up, then we probably shouldn't be in the F/SN forums at all. Quote:
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Ilya's slate is blank at the outset, and the events of the Holy Grail War will be the first say in how they grow together, if at all.
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2010-10-15, 12:27 | Link #196 |
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I'm not going to comment much on the romance thing, but I will toss this out: CL, if the thought of Ilya possibly ending up with Shirou in Chaos Theory bothers you so much, why not just write your own fic where he doesn't end up in a romantic relationship with her? That would resolve the problem rather nicely, I think.
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Even if we were inexplicably binding ourselves to strict canon, on what grounds do you say that? Ilya is characterized primarily as wanting to 'possess' Shirou in some way, and how specifically she wants to possess him is not ever really addressed. Quote:
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2010-10-15, 13:33 | Link #198 | |
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2010-10-15, 13:52 | Link #199 |
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Well, I intend to post them at some point, but I have to write them first, and I'm somewhat stuck on the one fic at the moment. Although, most of them would make precisely zero sense to most of the people on this forum, since they're very much Sakura-centric and my main fic is actually set in Fate/Zero.
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2010-10-15, 19:23 | Link #200 |
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I feel the need to point out that originally Nasu planned for one of the bad ends to involve Ilya raping Shirou... This doesn't mean that canon Ilya would do that, but it's not impossible she could develop sexual feelings for Shirou.
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