2012-05-25, 12:58 | Link #9101 | |
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I don't remember which chapter it was explained but I shall search for it. |
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2012-05-25, 13:30 | Link #9103 | |
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Notice how during the Flask Plan arc all the Abnormalities received some kind of psuedoscience justification (except, notably, the Plus Six). Then Kumagawa came along and the manga stopped bothering to justify anything. |
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2012-05-25, 13:58 | Link #9104 | ||
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2012-05-25, 14:26 | Link #9105 |
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Hnn, another addition to the Skills thing between Normals, Specials, and Abnormals.
Skills are some that can be learned, a Talent is a 'Skill' that you have inherited due to birth and/or enviornment. Skills//Talents are things that one learns to be able to interact with their enviornemnt on a different level: - A Normal learns normal skills normally (watching/studying/working at it). The basic skills come easy but they may/not learn more advanced ones. - A Special usually has a basic skill or two already at Lv 2 so they don't need to stay long at the basic Lv 1 for long, which gives them more time to perfect it. They also have the thing where their special ability only really comes out when they are in the right enviornment for it. - An Abnormal usually has just one or two skills that are so maxed out, it seems hax. This can usually cause some of their 'normal/basic' skills to lack as well. They are also defined by that skill that they have. Where a Special's skills really come out in the situation best-suited for it, an Abnormal's skill can come out regardless of the situation. Well, that's my take on it As for the styles...I equate them to 'systems'. I haven't seen enough to come up with an analysis like how I did for the Skills but it seems that these 'Systems' were made to combat against those with 'Skills'. In theory, a 'system' should work, regardless of what kind of skills you may/not have. You might have skills that make learning the system easier for you but a system should work regardless of who learns and uses it. Once a 'System' user takes out/disables/'nulls' the skill that defines a 'Skill' user, the 'Skill' user would be at a supreme disadvantage.
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2012-05-25, 15:36 | Link #9106 | |
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It's like someone having a gun and you coming up with a martial arts to defeat that person, your going to need more prep than what you'll likely get more likely you'll need a bullet proof shield and those just don't hang around and it's the same with your definition of systems. Really in the grand scheme of things for it to compete with skill users they'd have to be pretty similar but with more well defined limitations as shown. Really for Nisio to go this route he seriously didn't think his through, He completely shitted on the battle portion of this manga and is basically coming back to see turds everywhere. He should have put in well defined limitations on all of his abilities which a large amount seem to lack, without those defined limitations your stuck with unrealistic hard counter battles especially with the jokers. Basically you'd either need someone above aijimu or extremely specialised to almost ass pull level abilities to counter them. These complex mechanics only really work with Zenkichi's group because their pretty low on the hax scale, but when you have such a large amount of overpowered characters with ill defined limitations, introducing battles that depend on specfific battle mechanics becomes either worthless or riduclous. |
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2012-05-25, 16:45 | Link #9107 |
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At first that kanji power made me think, "Whaat! What the heck kind of power is that?!" But then I remembered everything else in Medaka Box.
After Ajimu Najimi I can't complain about anyone's powers. Plus I think Ajimu is glorious so...yeah. I can live with any weird powers Nisio starts giving his characters. |
2012-05-25, 18:28 | Link #9109 | |
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Specials do not posses actual skills, where have you even read that? The only ones that posses a plus are abnormals(or minuses having a minus). Normals having skills? What? They might be able aquire one like Zenkichi, but that's an exception. Specials can have special abilities, such as Kikajima's extreme lung capacity from her training and Akune's ability to copy, but specials do not posses pluses or minuses, neither do they posses skills like abnormals. If specials do have skills, what's a skill like Nekomi's? She does not posses one, and Akune and Kikaijima are geniuses that posses special traits, but not skills. "The Flask Plan is a project run within Hakoniwa Academy, and a driving plot force in Medaka Box. The Flask Plan seeks to create a method to turn ordinary humans into Abnormals." There is a reason the Flask Plan targeted only Abnormals for study, and that Shiranui Hanten's skill embodies this plan. They want to turn everyone into an abnormal, ie. give them skills. |
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2012-05-26, 01:39 | Link #9111 |
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Does this mean that the Four Not Equals have styles of their own, that compensate for their lack of skills?
For example, take Shiori Munakata/ Wani. None of the physical feats she pulls are part of any skill, but certainly, they are not something any ordinary girl could pull off. Even the bi-polar Tabarane may well have been using a style in her attempt to torture Kumugawa, back at the very beginning of the Not-Equal arc. |
2012-05-26, 02:25 | Link #9112 |
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It's possible. Yet it's possible they're just doing what Zenkichi does, which is not really a style per say. He may be a Zero, but the difference from Zero to Normal isn't that huge(in the combat-sense, as the changes were solely to his personality and the way fate affected him + others).
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2012-05-26, 03:22 | Link #9113 | ||
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Granted this was when the manga was far less complicated. Quote:
This is getting even MORE complicated now... |
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2012-05-26, 05:11 | Link #9114 |
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I don't really get where the idea is coming from that "Styles" are operationally any different from "Skills". We've got a person who can control kanji, and another who cut any sort of thing like aircraft carriers and helicopters, after all. The actual distinction Naze made was that "Styles" are neither a Plus nor a Minus--preferring to call these "Styles" rather than "Skills" seems to me merely like a naming distinction.
I'm fairly confident that each of the suitors also still fall under the general "abnormal" category. Let's even talk about the distinction between a "skill" and an "abnormality" for a moment. A "skill" is an ability--something you can do; whereas "Abnormal" is a status (as is "Special", "Normal", "Zero", "Not Equal" etc.). "Skills" are the things which Ajimu has a zajillion of and passes around, but "statuses" can't be passed around so easily (skills are what you have, but statuses are what you are). Think of, for example, the fact that Naze possesses a Minus yet is still herself an Abnormal. Aka, for her part I believe, is classified as a Special (as given in the Medaka Box wiki; she's in class 12). Let's distinguish between an Abnormal's "skills" and their "abnormality". After all, it's already been established by a huge number of characters that it's possible to possess more than one "skill". Take Miyakonojou, who had both "Weighted Words" and "Unreasonable Taxation". First of all, it's uncertain whether these should be considered separate skills or merely different applications of a general ability on Miyakonojou's part to manipulate electricity. As for Miyakonojou's actual abnormality, though--the aspect of his personality which gives him his Abnormal status--I'd probably say it's his belief that he's meant to be king. Similarly consider Naze. Her skill: Remodelling (now also Ice-Fire, which is a Minus skill). Her abnormality (personality trait): Stoicism (preferring/enjoying suffering). So what the hell is a "Style"? Well, it's neither a Plus nor a Minus (skill), and apparently surpasses the concept of "skills" in general, so perhaps you could say that a Style refers to an overarching (possibly Abnormal) "concept" itself which is manifested through a user's skills/abilities. After all, saying that Kanaino's "style" is Kanji, and Namanie's "style" is Cutting doesn't seem all that different to me from saying that Kanaino's "abnormality" is Kanji and Namanie's "abnormality" is Cutting. The difference being, concepts like "Kanji" or "Cutting" are practically more like external objects or things rather than personality traits that you'd actually apply to a human (Miyakonojou's "kingship", Naze's "stoicism", Koga's "desire to be abnormal", Unzen's "justice", Medaka's "elevation/constant change", etc.). |
2012-05-26, 11:32 | Link #9117 | |
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Also, since Medaka copied Munakata's Hidden Weapons, that means she can copy styles as well. |
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2012-05-26, 13:23 | Link #9118 |
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I think the difference is that while a Skill cannot be learned under normal circumstances (only through being passed on via another Skill, or copied via something like The End), Styles can be learned by anyone, provided that they're competent enough to do so. Styles, then, are akin to martial arts.
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2012-05-26, 13:26 | Link #9119 | |
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2012-05-26, 13:30 | Link #9120 | |
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But if styles work this way don't this mean that Zen would be able to learn them all if he want? |
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