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**Klashikari** · 2015-08-21, 07:19

Just look at the south route and see the number of nodes and enemies in there. Make your own conclusion.

chaosprophet · 2015-08-21, 09:21

On easy at least I was able to Taiha the boss once even after being sent south. As the extra battles are sub ones so you reach the boss with enough ammo, although the very low fuel make it very dangerous to do so. Wouldn't recommend it for any other difficulty not for final kill.

**Klashikari** · 2015-08-21, 11:22

As expected, the south route was made bizarrely long in order for players to use Hayasui's mechanic. With the replenishment, the boss fight becomes more manageable.

Of course, the main issue of that method is that B-X-D-J-L a gambit by itself because you reach node L with VERY little resources, so you might be crushed.
No idea when Hayasui activates exactly (on boss node only?), but it seems less desirable for carrier fleet.

Needless to say that armor reduction runs are still required.
But Akitsumaru + Hayasui secure at 100% the boss route. This setup is feasible without akitsumaru, but you have high chance to be sent back to F instead of node H, which means being forced to go through J, which means confronting a wo kai with a surface fleet.

Kakurin · 2015-08-21, 11:47

So this is the devs telling us "make use of the fact that the second fleet's flagship cannot get sunk and doesn't force a retreat"?

**Klashikari** · 2015-08-21, 11:51

I'm pretty certain devs have hard time to decide what to do with the second fleet flagship.
The simple fact they never addressed this point nor declared it as a "bug" is quite telling.

For a matter of safety, it is best to wait for report of this feature at the start of any event instead of assuming it is there to stay.
That said, I wouldn't be surprised if in a near future they will force a retreat if the second fleet FS is in taiha. I don't see them having fun by including the FS as a legit target for the FCF, nor how they would deal with the fleet behaviour if the FS were to really sink.

kaizerknight01 · 2015-08-21, 13:25

Any Tip on E 7 Carrier Task Force , Been Using Surface task to weaken X Y boss ( If the fleet condition is still OK push forward and clip the boss guage ) so far no clean kills on the boss just mange to Taiha it 3 times (Must be low on ammo ...)

**Klashikari** · 2015-08-21, 13:33

There is no peculiar tip except by praying to have a straight path from E to the boss without going through any south node.
You can bypass that with 3CVL and 0 CV, but you will have a not so fun time with Wo kai units from J and M.

risingstar3110 · 2015-08-21, 14:18

How's about that "tip" telling us to send a surface fleet for final kill rather than carrier fleet (at the cost of obviously double Wo Kai, and compass trolling)?Is there any legs in it?

**Klashikari** · 2015-08-21, 15:23

Just look again at the video and make your own decision about that.

Windy · 2015-08-21, 16:24

Okay back from that steel gathering break (got a bit lazy at the end so only 25k but it should be enough with some setbacks, and if not there's still 10~ days left anyway). Lets see how hard I get trolled.

So far so good, my X-Y business is done without my lv 10 Akitsumaru getting Taiha'd a single time. Ships are actually aiming for Nagato this time though so rip steel count, still not as bad as Fusou though if only cause she's twice Nagato's level. And got I-401 on my last weakening trip, which I didn't have cause screw my LSC luck. All is good for now.

dylan05 · 2015-08-21, 17:23

Phew, E6 easy clear.
12 Sorties
4 Retreats
3x only chiped the boss in NB
5 clean kills with 2 NB
78 buckets used.

I almost went nuts on my final run.
The opening air strike took down one DD and scratched one CL.
The support fleet took down the second DD and one CL as well as damaged the BB.
But then I run out of luck.
Haruna missed the remaining CL (again. she almost never hit anything on this node).
Only the torpedos hit something, namely the last CL.
My first fleet wasn't doing better.
Either my ships didn't hit, only scratched them, or my carriers got chuuha'd.
I hoped for Agaki taking at least the BB out, but she missed, too.
So I went into NB with a chuuha'd BB and shouha'd boss.
Sendai took out the BB, Haruna got taiha'd, and Choukai missed.
Next was Inazumas turn. She did a DA and did only 10 dmg with the first hit.
At that time I thought I have to go for another run as the next ship, Atago, was taiha'd and only Yuudachi, chuuha'd, was left.
But Inazumas second attack was a crit and sealed the deal

So for the next few days I must farm resources.
I'm afraid to go E7 with 36k fuel, 72k ammo, 11k steel, 16k Bauxite and 167 buckets.

Lantern · 2015-08-21, 17:31

Recovered 20k resources from the past two days, now back to 86k fuel 83k ammo.
Kill zone Round 2 here I go

cloud04 · 2015-08-21, 18:03

finally cleared e6 hard w/ yamasushi yet forgetting to put ap on them, so they were running on 2 red guns, 1 plane LOL

risingstar3110 · 2015-08-21, 18:36

The RNG of E-7 is so bs. I was 50% of the time being hit down to red at the sub node, or diverted to A. And it happened 4 times in last 5 runs

demino_hellsin · 2015-08-21, 19:24

does using the 15.2cm cause an accuracy handicap for Kuma?

Myssa Rei · 2015-08-21, 21:54

It WOULD be nice if Hayasui's refuel ability was consistent, however I've discovered that it DOESN'T auto-trigger... Which made it really REALLY awkward if I hit the boss node.

So has anyone figured out what her equipment setup has to be to increase the trigger chances?

cloud04 · 2015-08-21, 22:07

i thought it triggers when less than 4 bars

Windy · 2015-08-21, 22:14

Ughh, been at this for 4 hours after the X-Y debuff business, and only reached the boss node ONCE. Wo-Kais are so troll, and almost always just say f-you and Taiha somebody (usually Jintsuu or Akagi).

On the bright side, 4 X-Y trips are enough on easy to make her armor pitiful enough to almost one shot in the daytime on green T.

*Clearly I should complain on forums more, two straight clean kills. That and removing the saiun (praying for red t at double wo-kai) and moving jintsuu to escort flagship probably helped

Rocksmash · 2015-08-21, 23:07

E-7 Easy cleared!

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Clear!

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Resources used: 15k fuel, 10k ammo, 13.5k steel, 6k bauxite, 82 buckets

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Resources: Before & After

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Debuff runs: 6 (5 S ranks at X & Y, fleet diverted once to A)
No support used. The minibosses were so easy in Easy that I decided to do more.

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Debuff Task Force

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Chipping runs: 12 (9 reached boss, 3 clean kills)
Cheap normal support used (2DD,2CVL).

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Chipping Task Force

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Last Kill runs: 1
Double support used.

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Kill Task Force

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Man, I thought the last kill run was a goner when Chitose got taiha'd at Node J. Fortunately, there was still enough fighter power to gain Air Parity in Node M and the only significant damage was Hiyou being chuuha'd. At Node Z, the 4 enemy escorts were dead by the end of day battle. At night, ABKM taiha'd BB Hime making her harmless and Kirishima attracted AA Hime's attack with her searchlight. Choukai finished off BB Hime and Haguro knocked AA Hime down to just a sliver of health. Finally, Yukikaze (who didn't a trigger single cut in for the entire chipping phase) ended her in a spectacular fashion of 142 cut in damage.

Orattvisa · 2015-08-21, 23:16

E-2 Normal: 12 runs in and I've only reached the boss node twice.... The 2 Wo class at H somehow always taiha at least one of my ships...

2015-08-21, 07:19	Link #13201
Klashikari 阿賀野型3番艦、矢矧 Lv180 Graphic Designer Moderator Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Belgium, Brussels Age: 37	Just look at the south route and see the number of nodes and enemies in there. Make your own conclusion. __________________ [Sig art: Kagura Yuu, Nunukko, Maku Rako & Mishima Kurone] / [Twitter]

2015-08-21, 09:21	Link #13202
chaosprophet Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Brazil	On easy at least I was able to Taiha the boss once even after being sent south. As the extra battles are sub ones so you reach the boss with enough ammo, although the very low fuel make it very dangerous to do so. Wouldn't recommend it for any other difficulty not for final kill. __________________

2015-08-21, 11:22	Link #13203
Klashikari 阿賀野型3番艦、矢矧 Lv180 Graphic Designer Moderator Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Belgium, Brussels Age: 37	As expected, the south route was made bizarrely long in order for players to use Hayasui's mechanic. With the replenishment, the boss fight becomes more manageable. <p>No iframe support, please <a href="http://youtu.be/RdUCN4dUf-M">watch on YouTube</a>.</p> Of course, the main issue of that method is that B-X-D-J-L a gambit by itself because you reach node L with VERY little resources, so you might be crushed. No idea when Hayasui activates exactly (on boss node only?), but it seems less desirable for carrier fleet. Needless to say that armor reduction runs are still required. But Akitsumaru + Hayasui secure at 100% the boss route. This setup is feasible without akitsumaru, but you have high chance to be sent back to F instead of node H, which means being forced to go through J, which means confronting a wo kai with a surface fleet. __________________ [Sig art: Kagura Yuu, Nunukko, Maku Rako & Mishima Kurone] / [Twitter] Last edited by Klashikari; 2015-08-21 at 11:40.

2015-08-21, 11:47	Link #13204
Kakurin 大佐 Join Date: Jun 2013	So this is the devs telling us "make use of the fact that the second fleet's flagship cannot get sunk and doesn't force a retreat"? __________________

2015-08-21, 11:51	Link #13205
Klashikari 阿賀野型3番艦、矢矧 Lv180 Graphic Designer Moderator Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Belgium, Brussels Age: 37	I'm pretty certain devs have hard time to decide what to do with the second fleet flagship. The simple fact they never addressed this point nor declared it as a "bug" is quite telling. For a matter of safety, it is best to wait for report of this feature at the start of any event instead of assuming it is there to stay. That said, I wouldn't be surprised if in a near future they will force a retreat if the second fleet FS is in taiha. I don't see them having fun by including the FS as a legit target for the FCF, nor how they would deal with the fleet behaviour if the FS were to really sink. __________________ [Sig art: Kagura Yuu, Nunukko, Maku Rako & Mishima Kurone] / [Twitter]

2015-08-21, 13:25	Link #13206
kaizerknight01 Extra Superior Otaku Join Date: Sep 2008	Any Tip on E 7 Carrier Task Force , Been Using Surface task to weaken X Y boss ( If the fleet condition is still OK push forward and clip the boss guage ) so far no clean kills on the boss just mange to Taiha it 3 times (Must be low on ammo ...)

2015-08-21, 13:33	Link #13207
Klashikari 阿賀野型3番艦、矢矧 Lv180 Graphic Designer Moderator Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Belgium, Brussels Age: 37	There is no peculiar tip except by praying to have a straight path from E to the boss without going through any south node. You can bypass that with 3CVL and 0 CV, but you will have a not so fun time with Wo kai units from J and M. __________________ [Sig art: Kagura Yuu, Nunukko, Maku Rako & Mishima Kurone] / [Twitter] Last edited by Klashikari; 2015-08-21 at 15:23. Reason: typo

2015-08-21, 14:18	Link #13208
risingstar3110 ✘˵╹◡╹˶✘ Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Australia	How's about that "tip" telling us to send a surface fleet for final kill rather than carrier fleet (at the cost of obviously double Wo Kai, and compass trolling)?Is there any legs in it? __________________

2015-08-21, 15:23	Link #13209
Klashikari 阿賀野型3番艦、矢矧 Lv180 Graphic Designer Moderator Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Belgium, Brussels Age: 37	Just look again at the video and make your own decision about that. __________________ [Sig art: Kagura Yuu, Nunukko, Maku Rako & Mishima Kurone] / [Twitter]

2015-08-21, 16:24	Link #13210
Windy Smug AF Birb Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: You don't wanna know. Age: 37	Okay back from that steel gathering break (got a bit lazy at the end so only 25k but it should be enough with some setbacks, and if not there's still 10~ days left anyway). Lets see how hard I get trolled. So far so good, my X-Y business is done without my lv 10 Akitsumaru getting Taiha'd a single time. Ships are actually aiming for Nagato this time though so rip steel count, still not as bad as Fusou though if only cause she's twice Nagato's level. And got I-401 on my last weakening trip, which I didn't have cause screw my LSC luck. All is good for now. __________________ Last edited by Windy; 2015-08-21 at 17:34. Reason: Lucky for once maybe

2015-08-21, 17:23	Link #13211
dylan05 Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2010	Phew, E6 easy clear. 12 Sorties 4 Retreats 3x only chiped the boss in NB 5 clean kills with 2 NB 78 buckets used. I almost went nuts on my final run. The opening air strike took down one DD and scratched one CL. The support fleet took down the second DD and one CL as well as damaged the BB. But then I run out of luck. Haruna missed the remaining CL (again. she almost never hit anything on this node). Only the torpedos hit something, namely the last CL. My first fleet wasn't doing better. Either my ships didn't hit, only scratched them, or my carriers got chuuha'd. I hoped for Agaki taking at least the BB out, but she missed, too. So I went into NB with a chuuha'd BB and shouha'd boss. Sendai took out the BB, Haruna got taiha'd, and Choukai missed. Next was Inazumas turn. She did a DA and did only 10 dmg with the first hit. At that time I thought I have to go for another run as the next ship, Atago, was taiha'd and only Yuudachi, chuuha'd, was left. But Inazumas second attack was a crit and sealed the deal So for the next few days I must farm resources. I'm afraid to go E7 with 36k fuel, 72k ammo, 11k steel, 16k Bauxite and 167 buckets.

2015-08-21, 17:31	Link #13212
Lantern ＜(゜∀。) Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Flying in the Air Age: 36	Recovered 20k resources from the past two days, now back to 86k fuel 83k ammo. Kill zone Round 2 here I go

2015-08-21, 18:03	Link #13213
cloud04 Scanlator Join Date: May 2013	finally cleared e6 hard w/ yamasushi yet forgetting to put ap on them, so they were running on 2 red guns, 1 plane LOL __________________

2015-08-21, 18:36	Link #13214
risingstar3110 ✘˵╹◡╹˶✘ Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Australia	The RNG of E-7 is so bs. I was 50% of the time being hit down to red at the sub node, or diverted to A. And it happened 4 times in last 5 runs __________________

2015-08-21, 19:24	Link #13215
demino_hellsin That one guy Join Date: Nov 2011	does using the 15.2cm cause an accuracy handicap for Kuma? __________________ Official art: They know what we want.

2015-08-21, 21:54	Link #13216
Myssa Rei Moderate Haruhiist Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Metro Manila, Philippines Age: 42	It WOULD be nice if Hayasui's refuel ability was consistent, however I've discovered that it DOESN'T auto-trigger... Which made it really REALLY awkward if I hit the boss node. So has anyone figured out what her equipment setup has to be to increase the trigger chances? __________________

2015-08-21, 22:07	Link #13217
cloud04 Scanlator Join Date: May 2013	i thought it triggers when less than 4 bars __________________

2015-08-21, 22:14	Link #13218
Windy Smug AF Birb Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: You don't wanna know. Age: 37	Ughh, been at this for 4 hours after the X-Y debuff business, and only reached the boss node ONCE. Wo-Kais are so troll, and almost always just say f-you and Taiha somebody (usually Jintsuu or Akagi). On the bright side, 4 X-Y trips are enough on easy to make her armor pitiful enough to almost one shot in the daytime on green T. Clearly I should complain on forums more, two straight clean kills. That and removing the saiun (praying for red t at double wo-kai) and moving jintsuu to escort flagship probably helped __________________ Last edited by Windy; 2015-08-21 at 22:33.*

2015-08-21, 23:07	Link #13219
Rocksmash Trapped within boundaries Join Date: Nov 2007	E-7 Easy cleared! Images Clear! Sorry; dynamic content not loaded. Reload? Resources used: 15k fuel, 10k ammo, 13.5k steel, 6k bauxite, 82 buckets Images Resources: Before & After Sorry; dynamic content not loaded. Reload? Debuff runs: 6 (5 S ranks at X & Y, fleet diverted once to A) No support used. The minibosses were so easy in Easy that I decided to do more. Images Debuff Task Force Sorry; dynamic content not loaded. Reload? Chipping runs: 12 (9 reached boss, 3 clean kills) Cheap normal support used (2DD,2CVL). Images Chipping Task Force Sorry; dynamic content not loaded. Reload? Last Kill runs: 1 Double support used. Images Kill Task Force Sorry; dynamic content not loaded. Reload? Man, I thought the last kill run was a goner when Chitose got taiha'd at Node J. Fortunately, there was still enough fighter power to gain Air Parity in Node M and the only significant damage was Hiyou being chuuha'd. At Node Z, the 4 enemy escorts were dead by the end of day battle. At night, ABKM taiha'd BB Hime making her harmless and Kirishima attracted AA Hime's attack with her searchlight. Choukai finished off BB Hime and Haguro knocked AA Hime down to just a sliver of health. Finally, Yukikaze (who didn't a trigger single cut in for the entire chipping phase) ended her in a spectacular fashion of 142 cut in damage.

2015-08-21, 23:16	Link #13220
Orattvisa Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2013	E-2 Normal: 12 runs in and I've only reached the boss node twice.... The 2 Wo class at H somehow always taiha at least one of my ships...