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[KanbeKotori]

Does anyone have the link to send a report to KC devs?

I need it to file a report but I can't find it.

[dylan05]

Originally Posted by Kakurin-san

I got four of her.

Well, at least I'm done with farming E1 hard for Akitsu Maru. Took me 77 Runs to get her.
While farming I brought Kasumi, Jintsuu, and Chiyoda-Kou to Kai2, as well as Hatsuzuki to Kai.

All the Ships I really wanted, no matter what, came rather quick this event.
Now I'll try to get a second Yuu in E3 again in under 100 Runs.

[Myssa Rei]

Kind of thinking about shifting to STF for last dance, as I'm getting absolutely murdered with CTF, due to Carrier Hime's insane ability to drop ships to red on a flip of a hat.

EDIT: I suppose I'm going to have to do full fleet sparkles again for E7, as there's no real way to avoid the insane crits the nodes are capable of doing. It's time consuming as heck, as well as resource intensive, but there doesn't really seem to be any way to make sure the fleet even MAKES it to the boss.

[Myssa Rei]

I'm kind of getting mixed opinions here. The people here who've finished E7 on hard insist that CTF is the way to go, but it's opposite over at Himeuta, where they push for STF for last dance Hard. Hmm.

Also stopping all my attempts for the day, as I need to recoup some resources and sanity, while I try and resparkle all those who need sparkling, as it seems to be the ONLY way to get my fleet anywhere beyond the first node in this map.

[Lantern]

^ Just a matter of how well you trust your BBs vs your squishy escort fleet CA/DDs.

For me it's a no-brainer: BBs are not to be trusted. Not one bit.

[Kakurin]

Originally Posted by Myssa Rei

I suppose I'm going to have to do full fleet sparkles again for E7, as there's no real way to avoid the insane crits the nodes are capable of doing.

Sparkles likewise doesn't give you a guarantee that you won't get a random crit that puts a Yamato-class in taiha.

[Myssa Rei]

Originally Posted by Kakurin-san

Sparkles likewise doesn't give you a guarantee that you won't get a random crit that puts a Yamato-class in taiha.

See my record so far as of last night with CTF, after getting to last dance:

13 Retreat, Zuikaku taiha node A
14 C-Rank, no one in escort aims at Center hime
15 D-Rank, no one aims at hime
16 Retreat, Chikuma taiha node A
17 Retreat, multiple taiha at Carrier hime
18 Retreat, Yamato taiha at node A
19 C-Rank, no one in escort aims at Center hime
20 Retreat, Zuikaku taiha node A
21 Retreat, Yuudachi taiha node A
22 C-Rank, no one in escort aims at Center hime
23 Retreat, Zuikaku taiha node A
24 Retreated, multiple taiha
25 C-Rank, no one in escort aims at Center hime
26 Retreat, Yuudachi taiha node F
27 D-Rank, no one aims at hime
28 C-Rank, no one in escort aims at Center hime
29 Retreat, Shoukaku taiha Carrier hime
30 Retreat, Yamato taiha at node A
31 Retreat, Yamato taiha node A
32 C-Rank, hime taiha but not aimed at
33 C-Rank, hime taiha but not aimed at
34 B-Rank, no one aims at hime, 3 escorts at taiha Shouhou
35 Retreat. Zuikaku taiha at node A
36 Retreat at Preboss, multiple taiha
37 D-Rank

I'd be willing to take any kind of occult reassurance right now, if only to avoid the below from happening again and again and again and again:

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[Myssa Rei]

Originally Posted by Lantern

^ Just a matter of how well you trust your BBs vs your squishy escort fleet CA/DDs.

For me it's a no-brainer: BBs are not to be trusted. Not one bit.

Funny how you say that, when the previous events heavily supported STF for finishing off the boss.

At least I'm not this guy though, literally EVERYTHING went right... Except when yasen came, no crits. Ack.

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[Lantern]

The last event supported STF because it literally FORCED you to use STF or be stuck with terrible pathing. If we had a free choice, which of course will never happen given the nature of this game, I would NEVER use STF if I can help it so I won't have to deal with all those stupid BB targeting and obvious missing, and no more *tankier* than the squishy DDs when it actually matters. Heck a DD in the escort fleet survives pre-boss CVH better than a BB afaik. To hell with BBs.

[KanbeKotori]

Originally Posted by Lantern

The last event supported STF because it literally FORCED you to use STF or be stuck with terrible pathing. If we had a free choice, which of course will never happen given the nature of this game, I would NEVER use STF if I can help it so I won't have to deal with all those stupid BB targeting and obvious missing, and no more *tankier* than the squishy DDs when it actually matters. Heck a DD in the escort fleet survives pre-boss CVH better than a BB afaik. To hell with BBs.

BBs are kinda overrated. I don't know why many people like to go "As heavy as possible"

[Klashikari]

Because BB are the only kanmusu type along with CV that can lead to "overcrits" thank to post cap modifiers with the AP shells. That said, I'd rather have a CL only gimmick to counterbalance things. E5 was rather painful because the CL wasn't exactly any better than a DD to put it bluntly.

I actually never noticed any "worse" survivability with BB than any other type of kanmusu. If anything, worse offenders are CV in my case, but YMMV (or rather, your RNG may vary).
Funnily enough, the Yamato class sisters consistently tanked properly during this event for me, whereas it was extremly hazardous before.

[JokerD]

Originally Posted by Klashikari

Funnily enough, the Yamato class sisters consistently tanked properly during this event for me, whereas it was extremly hazardous before.

Funny you should say that, I didn't use my (2) Musashi as anything other than support this event, every other battleship got used

Anyone noticed that after event is complete, the raids on the land airbase on longer happens? (Did I miss a dev note or something: most likely)

[Scarletknive]

Originally Posted by Lantern

The last event supported STF because it literally FORCED you to use STF or be stuck with terrible pathing. If we had a free choice, which of course will never happen given the nature of this game, I would NEVER use STF if I can help it so I won't have to deal with all those stupid BB targeting and obvious missing, and no more *tankier* than the squishy DDs when it actually matters. Heck a DD in the escort fleet survives pre-boss CVH better than a BB afaik. To hell with BBs.

DD surviving CVH attacks? Might be just me, but doesn't the protection system allows DDs to not get instant taiha if the enemy overkills your ship too much? It really is RNG as stated by Klashikari as using CTF doesn't mean your CVs are safe from taiha... and not your DDs who will be prone to Torpedo strike if the enemy is in Line Ahead/Double Line.

For me, it is just depending on the map. Like you said, last event's map gives STF an upper hand over CTF due to the routing it gives. In this event, CTF gives an upper hand over STF due to routing (E4: Fight against CVH in Echelon or Line Abreast? E7: Better routing, as STF drains your fuel completely unless Hayasui with refuel drum is used.)

To be honest, sometimes I prefer STF due to your escorts being "protected", sometimes I prefer CTF due to high air power requirement for the map (E7, if you use STF and go through Node I, there is a chance of going to Node L, which, in Hard mode, you will probably not able to meet the Air power requirement unless you spam fighter planes to meet the requirement...)

Originally Posted by JokerD

Funny you should say that, I didn't use my (2) Musashi as anything other than support this event, every other battleship got used

Anyone noticed that after event is complete, the raids on the land airbase on longer happens? (Did I miss a dev note or something: most likely)

Its just you, I was farming for Oyashio a few days back in E7D after completing the event and I still got multiple air raids.

If anything, CVH, regardless of what type of ship you use, will destroy your fleet with ease if hit.

[Klashikari]

My biggest problem with Kidou butai is the fact that the escort is mostly unable to critically damage/sink anything that is a Ne-class or higher (except very rare lucky crits). Hell, even against DD, they have huge trouble to dispatch them.
I'm mostly relying on opening torpedo with Abukuma and/or CLT as well as artillery spotting and sometimes it isn't really doing much. Because of this, I've to pray that the initial air strike dealt enough damage so my escort won't be bullied (double kuubo seiki node says hi). If the initial airstrike failed, it isn't uncommon to see the escort failing hard at even damaging a bit the enemy fleet, so it is a contest of merely surviving and hoping the main fleet won't be too screwed by that.

Meanwhile, Suijou trade a safer position with a awful accuracy for the main fleet compared to the escort fleet.

Before aircraft proficiency, I'd rather use Suijou over Kidou butai any day of the week, but ever since that change, both are "legit choices" so it boils down to what kind of route both have instead of their respective pro and cons.

[Kakurin]

Originally Posted by Klashikari

My biggest problem with Kidou butai is the fact that the escort is mostly unable to critically damage/sink anything that is a Ne-class or higher (except very rare lucky crits). Hell, even against DD, they have huge trouble to dispatch them.

This problem is exacerbated by loading up special equipment against installation-type enemies. My final E7 composition for example had both CAVs use WG42 plus Sanshiki, meaning no double-attack and Bisko with Sanshiki doesn't have the strike power to reliably, as you said, take out anything >= Ne-class with a single double-attack unless they took some shots during the air strike. Really, that was why me as somebody who usually really dislikes using support fleets decided to use them the entire time during clearing attempts at E6 and E7.

[LoweGear]

Originally Posted by Lantern

The last event supported STF because it literally FORCED you to use STF or be stuck with terrible pathing. If we had a free choice, which of course will never happen given the nature of this game, I would NEVER use STF if I can help it so I won't have to deal with all those stupid BB targeting and obvious missing, and no more *tankier* than the squishy DDs when it actually matters. Heck a DD in the escort fleet survives pre-boss CVH better than a BB afaik. To hell with BBs.

I know I'm just a player on Easy, but for me BB's have been consistent performers when it comes to tanking for me. That's why I find event maps that allow BB's/BBV's/FBB's to be easier due to the fact that the battleships can hit hard and tank harder. Hell, my E-5 clear came down to using a 2BBV formation, which despite the fact that they go to a route with heavier enemies, often end up being able to reach the boss node more often, and deal more damage when needed.

Also, all the previous events I've partaken since the Spring 2015 event have had STF's be the safer choice due to routing - IIRC, the Spring 2015 event was supposed to be a "carrier heavy" event, and yet the routing favored STF's anyway, so it was the battleships that shone the most.

[Kakurin]

Originally Posted by LoweGear

I know I'm just a player on Easy, but for me BB's have been consistent performers when it comes to tanking for me. That's why I find event maps that allow BB's/BBV's/FBB's to be easier due to the fact that the battleships can hit hard and tank harder.

Nobody other than the Yamato-class is tanking consistently on 甲. And even they have trouble when you face a double CVH node like E7L.

An example: After reaching the final dance at E7 I had 15 early retreats in 24 runs. The retreats (with the first taiha suffered noted down) break down as

3x Shōkaku (L, L, F)
2x Bismarck (L, L)
2x Haguro (L, M)
1x Ōyodo (K)
1x Yūdachi (K)
1x Chōkai (L)
1x Musashi (A)
1x Purin (L)
1x Yamato (L)
1x Zuikaku (A)
1x Chikuma (F)

--> 4x BB, 4x CV, 5x CA(V), 1x CL, 1x DD

[Lantern]

Originally Posted by LoweGear

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As Kakurin said above, 'tanks' don't exist on hard. Everything is paper armor in front of hard mode Hime nodes. I'd rather have my DDs dodge it and if not eat the shots then get away with overkill protection. Low HP + Evasion > *Armor*

And don't get me started on their high likelihood of targetting DDs and imps first because of their range and then MISS. Leave those to the escorts. That's why I prefer CTF. I've never had the problem of escorts not surviving. If anything I can destroy most non-hime nodes before they open fire with airstrike -> support shelling -> preempt torpedo. If they can't survive something, then STF isn't gonna make it any better and especially not with their horrible first fleet accuracy. BBs don't need protection, they need to do DAMAGE on the RIGHT TARGETS. It's outrageous these MVP-wannabes who eat the most resource draws the most disappointments.

p.s. I'm pretty sure STF is not the most optimal choice for Summer 15 E7.

[Sheba]

The routing of E7 Summer 2015 forced you to go Carrier fleet. STF sucked, even with Hayasui resupply.

[risingstar3110]

I think my E5 is bugged, I honest do believe so. Like there are something about my combination of fleets and equipment that trigger a fucking bug that can't make sense otherwise.

I probably had run like 100 sortie already. Only 5% of normal run I make to boss. Fully sparked fleet increase that to 20%, but 50% of the time with sparked fleet I would been hit to red by either sub node or air node. The time I make to it, 3 times I hit the boss to <300 hp during day battle, and could not finish her off at night. I means it does not even make any fucking sense.


I means line abreast is for sub and the cross formation is AA, right? Did they switch it around when I am away or something? It does not make any fucking sense. This is already borderline Midway, probably even worse in term of reaching boss