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[cloud04]

oh god im getting annoyed at e7, tried to replace yamasushi w/ nagatos and just not do node support...just to save a tad bit of reso...keeps getting rekt either way as well -.-

[Lantern]

^ You know what they say. Be a good hamster before event and your worries would be gone

[cloud04]

Originally Posted by Lantern

^ You know what they say. Be a good hamster before event and your worries would be gone

before event=studying for finals
1st 2 weeks of event=finals
idk how good of a hamster i need than that LOL

[Lantern]

With today's event standard?
1.2M resource total + 3000 buckets = good hamster
6-Hime Sentai? Pfft. Drown them in fuel and buckets!

[KanbeKotori]

Originally Posted by Myssa Rei

I'm a SHE, thank you very much. As for the testing, its from this: http://kancolle.wikia.com/wiki/User_...amaged_form.29

Go down a bit, and you'll see that the conclusion that the question whether WGs really do much on their own or with a Sanshiki came up by accident: he was actually trying to measure the effectiveness of using the various Daihatsu variants against Center Hime.

My apologies for getting your gender wrong.

There is nothing to state that the 75 firepower does not apply in that link. All it does mention is WG42 damage cancels out with the Ka-Mi. I'm gonna still look around though regarding the WG42 and Ka-Mi thing but it still stands that Sanshiki and WG42 do work together.

[cloud04]

Originally Posted by Lantern

With today's event standard?
1.2M resource total + 3000 buckets = good hamster
6-Hime Sentai? Pfft. Drown them in fuel and buckets!

so im only 1/4 good hamster to begin with lol....
well gonna try nagatos + node support again... forget using akizuki, can still get AS at boss anyway

[KanbeKotori]

Originally Posted by cloud04

so im only 1/4 good hamster to begin with lol....
well gonna try nagatos + node support again... forget using akizuki, can still get AS at boss anyway

Akizuki is for AACI and AACI does NOT affect your fighter power or not.

The thing for AACI is to try and limit what those Nu class and air strike node can do since the Nu class and the air strike node can do quite a bit of damage. My duki forgot to AACI once at an air strike node and 3 taiha came.

[Myssa Rei]

AACI is there to mitigate any bomber damage via shooting down as many planes as possible during the Aerial Bombardment phase. In any other stage, it is enough to neuter even Wo-Kais.

In E7-Hard though? Not nearly enough, as Carrier Hime has proved MORE than capable of giving out Taihas even with a gutted bomber wing. That said, ANY little advantage helps, and in this map, it's sort of merited.

[Rocksmash]

April's ranking reward is the Prototype 61cm Sextuple (Oxygen) Torpedo Mount (+14 torps, +2 acc).

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new torpedo

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Reward tiers:
1 to 5: Prototype 61cm Sextuple (Oxygen) Torpedo Mount (x2), Prototype 41cm Triple Gun Mount, Type 4 Passive Sonar
6 to 20: Prototype 61cm Sextuple (Oxygen) Torpedo Mount, Prototype 41cm Triple Gun Mount, Type 4 Passive Sonar
21 to 100: Prototype 61cm Sextuple (Oxygen) Torpedo Mount, Prototype 35.6cm Triple Gun Mount, Type 4 Passive Sonar
101 to 500: Prototype 61cm Sextuple (Oxygen) Torpedo Mount, Type 4 Passive Sonar

[Sheba]

Originally Posted by Rocksmash

April's ranking reward is the Prototype 61cm Sextuple (Oxygen) Torpedo Mount (+14 torps, +2 acc).

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new torpedo

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Reward tiers:
1 to 5: Prototype 61cm Sextuple (Oxygen) Torpedo Mount (x2), Prototype 41cm Triple Gun Mount, Type 4 Passive Sonar
6 to 20: Prototype 61cm Sextuple (Oxygen) Torpedo Mount, Prototype 41cm Triple Gun Mount, Type 4 Passive Sonar
21 to 100: Prototype 61cm Sextuple (Oxygen) Torpedo Mount, Prototype 35.6cm Triple Gun Mount, Type 4 Passive Sonar
101 to 500: Prototype 61cm Sextuple (Oxygen) Torpedo Mount, Type 4 Passive Sonar

Sextuple

Ooi and Kitakami: *breathes heavily*

[KanbeKotori]

Originally Posted by Myssa Rei

AACI is there to mitigate any bomber damage via shooting down as many planes as possible during the Aerial Bombardment phase. In any other stage, it is enough to neuter even Wo-Kais.

In E7-Hard though? Not nearly enough, as Carrier Hime has proved MORE than capable of giving out Taihas even with a gutted bomber wing. That said, ANY little advantage helps, and in this map, it's sort of merited.

You still get the chance to wipe her slots completely, thus disabling her. I've done that once or twice and have seen people doing it before too so AACI do help.

Unless you have 2 Ka-Mi, you're better off running one DD on AACI.

[Ithekro]

Originally Posted by Sheba

Sextuple

Ooi and Kitakami: *breathes heavily*

Calm down Ooi. Stop humping the torpedo turrets on Kitakami.

Kiso! Do something about your sisters.

[Yuu Alseif]

Originally Posted by Myssa Rei

AACI is there to mitigate any bomber damage via shooting down as many planes as possible during the Aerial Bombardment phase. In any other stage, it is enough to neuter even Wo-Kais.

In E7-Hard though? Not nearly enough, as Carrier Hime has proved MORE than capable of giving out Taihas even with a gutted bomber wing. That said, ANY little advantage helps, and in this map, it's sort of merited.

... Carrier Hime? For some reason, I really can't imagine her giving out taihas..
Welp, RNG at it's best.

[risingstar3110]

...with hope in your heart. And you never walk alone~~



This could be stupid coming off a game. But I just feel really peaceful right now. Someone probably can stab me right now and I will still forgive him.

After 3 near kills (down to 27hp, 1hp, 27hp), it took the 4th time to be the charm. Let's see. My lessons I learnt from E-7 that I will highly recommend to others are:

• I know many don't like the Landing Type 2 (aka Tank). But give it to Kasumi and she can deal ~200 hp with it. I haven't seen any DD set up that could deal close to that amount
• Yamato sisters actually may gave you a false sense of security with high cost. I ended up going to boss node with 2chuha Nagato sisters. Come off a LBA sequence that is far from decent. But as seen it's all RNG in fire exchange and night battle. So less resources consumption per run = more time you can run = more chance RNG Goddess can help you
• Node support is also a sense of false security most of the time. Maybe pre-boss aside. As 3 biggest threat for your fleet pre-boss are: sub (node support won't help), Dyson (node support unlikely will help), and pre-boss elite CA (node support helps). Won't worth sparkling time and resources for only that
• if you run low of fuel, run a Maruyu at E-5A to rank up your planes. Can help you to calm down too

Around 90k fuel (+ 48 hours regen) spent for E-7 last dance. And I finally can sleep properly now

[Klashikari]

Originally Posted by risingstar3110

• Yamato sisters actually may gave you a false sense of security with high cost. I ended up going to boss node with 2chuha Nagato sisters. Come off a LBA sequence that is far from decent. But as seen it's all RNG in fire exchange and night battle. So less resources consumption per run = more time you can run = more chance RNG Goddess can help you

That's a legit approach, but immediately dismissing the other one is stupid in my books.
Simply put, your approach is that you want to have more runs to ultimately finish the map, but that also means you are throwing your girls against a wall repeatedly until you finally are done with it.

The other approach is fundementally the opposite: it may cost you more to go through the map with Yamato and Musashi, but at the same time, the likelihood they are chuuha/taiha prior the boss node is drastically inferior to the likes of Nagato class and so on. Hell, on the boss node, the probability they are taiha-ed in the first shelling phase is way lower than the other BB, so unless you are very unlucky, chances your Yamato BB are still in chuuha for the second shelling phase stand.

It is a matter of gauging risk VS reward, but calling it a false sense of security is ignorant. It isn't about feeling secure, nor that it is false to begin with: the purpose of such approach is to capitalize every runs instead.

• Node support is also a sense of false security most of the time. Maybe pre-boss aside. As 3 biggest threat for your fleet pre-boss are: sub (node support won't help), Dyson (node support unlikely will help), and pre-boss elite CA (node support helps). Won't worth sparkling time and resources for only that

That's is even more false than the previous statement. The whole point of the support fleet is not to have a free pass with the regular nodes. Instead, they improve your chance of passing through them with a damage toll inferior to what you could have without them.


Even if you have to retreat from a node, simply concluding that support was pointless is simplistic and not pertinent whatsoever.
Your chances of passing through such nodes are already hazardous, and the point of the support fleet is to -reduce- chances of being toasted by them, except of course the sub node.
And no, the support fleet helps against the dyson node, because it can either damage her (further increasing your chance to put her to chuuha before she fires during the first shelling phase) or reduce the number of trash, which in turn increase the likelihood that your fleet will attack her instead of wasting time on her escort.


In theory, you can just clear that map with just 6 ships in the main fleet, and 3 ships in the escort, which could even further lower your resources consumption (and as a matter of fact, people like the Nishimura admiral and the Maruyu admiral did to some extent), but no one does that, right? That's simply because no one would lower their chances to beat a map unless it is their personal objective.
In practice, you want to lower RNG hazard as much as you want, and support fleet is part of it.

That's why "sense of security" is an absurd nonsense when it comes to Kancolle.

[lfhoule]

Originally Posted by Rocksmash

April's ranking reward is the Prototype 61cm Sextuple (Oxygen) Torpedo Mount (+14 torps, +2 acc).

Images

new torpedo

Sorry; dynamic content not loaded. Reload?

Reward tiers:
1 to 5: Prototype 61cm Sextuple (Oxygen) Torpedo Mount (x2), Prototype 41cm Triple Gun Mount, Type 4 Passive Sonar
6 to 20: Prototype 61cm Sextuple (Oxygen) Torpedo Mount, Prototype 41cm Triple Gun Mount, Type 4 Passive Sonar
21 to 100: Prototype 61cm Sextuple (Oxygen) Torpedo Mount, Prototype 35.6cm Triple Gun Mount, Type 4 Passive Sonar
101 to 500: Prototype 61cm Sextuple (Oxygen) Torpedo Mount, Type 4 Passive Sonar

So, the developers went from the quad torpedo mount to a sextuple torpedo mount without doing a quintuple torpedo mount? Shimakaze should feel sad and / or ticked off, and who was suppose to get a 6 tube mount?

[Klashikari]

Originally Posted by lfhoule

So, the developers went from the quad torpedo mount to a sextuple torpedo mount without doing a quintuple torpedo mount? Shimakaze should feel sad and / or ticked off, and who was suppose to get a 6 tube mount?

You completely missed the fact that Ooi, Kitakami and Kiso in their kai ni version are equipped with 61cm quintuple torpedo nor the fact that Shimakaze is actually required to mod them.

[risingstar3110]

Originally Posted by Klashikari

That's a legit approach, but immediately dismissing the other one is stupid in my books.
Simply put, your approach is that you want to have more runs to ultimately finish the map, but that also means you are throwing your girls against a wall repeatedly until you finally are done with it.

The other approach is fundementally the opposite: it may cost you more to go through the map with Yamato and Musashi, but at the same time, the likelihood they are chuuha/taiha prior the boss node is drastically inferior to the likes of Nagato class and so on. Hell, on the boss node, the probability they are taiha-ed in the first shelling phase is way lower than the other BB, so unless you are very unlucky, chances your Yamato BB are still in chuuha for the second shelling phase stand.

It is a matter of gauging risk VS reward, but calling it a false sense of security is ignorant. It isn't about feeling secure, nor that it is false to begin with: the purpose of such approach is to capitalize every runs instead.
That's is even more false than the previous statement. The whole point of the support fleet is not to have a free pass with the regular nodes. Instead, they improve your chance of passing through them with a damage toll inferior to what you could have without them.


Even if you have to retreat from a node, simply concluding that support was pointless is simplistic and not pertinent whatsoever.
Your chances of passing through such nodes are already hazardous, and the point of the support fleet is to -reduce- chances of being toasted by them, except of course the sub node.
And no, the support fleet helps against the dyson node, because it can either damage her (further increasing your chance to put her to chuuha before she fires during the first shelling phase) or reduce the number of trash, which in turn increase the likelihood that your fleet will attack her instead of wasting time on her escort.


In theory, you can just clear that map with just 6 ships in the main fleet, and 3 ships in the escort, which could even further lower your resources consumption (and as a matter of fact, people like the Nishimura admiral and the Maruyu admiral did to some extent), but no one does that, right? That's simply because no one would lower their chances to beat a map unless it is their personal objective.
In practice, you want to lower RNG hazard as much as you want, and support fleet is part of it.

That's why "sense of security" is an absurd nonsense when it comes to Kancolle.

Please try Klashikari approach. ^

If it does not work with you, try mine

[lfhoule]

Originally Posted by Klashikari

You completely missed the fact that Ooi, Kitakami and Kiso in their kai ni version are equipped with 61cm quintuple torpedo nor the fact that Shimakaze is actually required to mod them.

O.K., I did not know that they did do the quintuple already (don't currently play the game...), but my question concerning the 6 tube mount still stands: where did they even come up with that one?

[Kakurin]

Originally Posted by risingstar3110

• Yamato sisters actually may gave you a false sense of security with high cost. I ended up going to boss node with 2chuha Nagato sisters. Come off a LBA sequence that is far from decent. But as seen it's all RNG in fire exchange and night battle. So less resources consumption per run = more time you can run = more chance RNG Goddess can help you

You are ignoring the fact that you can improve the RNG chances, if only it's slight. On long-term average it's always going to be better to unleash shoha kanmusu than chuha kanmusu for example. Hence the use of the Yamato-class. There is no singular solution to the problem. To use your type of formulation I can also say: higher chances per run = less runs needed on average = less consumption.

• Node support is also a sense of false security most of the time. Maybe pre-boss aside. As 3 biggest threat for your fleet pre-boss are: sub (node support won't help), Dyson (node support unlikely will help), and pre-boss elite CA (node support helps). Won't worth sparkling time and resources for only that

As Klashikari's said, that's wrong. First of all, map support has a high chance to get rid of those pesky escorts, especially the DDs/CLs that are incredibly annoying with their high evasion when matched up against the accuracy penalty of combined fleet. On 甲 the torpedo attacks of these escorts are murderous. And second, map support also increases the chances of taking out / reducing the damage done by the big targets. Through a) damaging them b) taking out the small targets and enabling your fleet to target them instead of wasting their shots on the escorts.