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2009-06-10, 07:33 | Link #141 | |
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And a reply to someone above, that said that at times the rape-victims are kinda semi-asking to be raped, then i guess they should get sued with the rapists too huh? |
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2009-06-10, 07:49 | Link #142 | |
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I've heard a quite shocking interview on the italian TV of a woman that has been raped at a New Year Eve's party. In the interview, she was saying something along the lines of "now I feel like I have to hide myself, stop taking care of my body, try to make myself look worse because this way I can protect myself..." I found it shockingly horrible. Not only that woman has been hurted in the most awfull way possible, but she's also facing the wrong idea that she's partially her fault, and this is something that stems from a barbarian idea that finding something desirable is enough of an alibi to take it, moreover when talking about women and sex. Any civilized society should reject this idea, since it's an idea that is hurting the victims and excusing the criminals - quite the contrary of everything that we call 'civil'. |
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2009-06-10, 09:49 | Link #143 | |
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Okay, the question was, if it's a girl's fault for being pretty, and I said, that when they do all the thing they do just to look pretty, then it's through their actions that they become pretty, thus being responsible for it. And please try to realize that not all men are animals acting on instinct and that men get raped too.
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Rape using violence or the threat of violence to override consent:life imprisonment Statutory rape involving an adult perpetrator with a previous conviction: life imprisonment All other forms of rape incur mandatory imprisonment for up to 20 years and there's no way to just pay a fine and walk away. I wouldn't call that, excusing criminals. |
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2009-06-10, 12:14 | Link #144 |
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I've noticed several posters use the term "at fault" in a manner that makes me think it isn't carrying the same linguistic flavor for them as we in North America (or a couple of other countries) perceive it. Here in the litigious US, "at fault" carries a very damning blame with it. We also have a very strong sense of the *right* of any human being to be able to travel anywhere with any sort of clothing without fear of assault.
Yeah, that's very idealistic.... but the occasional person that suggests a girl "deserved it" because of the way she dressed or was "at fault" is going to be tarred and feathered in the US. You might as well have said the "black person deserved the hanging for trying to eat at the white folk restaurant".
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2009-06-10, 12:44 | Link #145 | ||
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You should check what is the supposed "life emprisonment" in France. |
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2009-06-10, 12:47 | Link #146 | |
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^ No actually they're the laws in the US.
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Punishing a crime and partially justifying it are two very different things: one may think that a man that cold-blood murders the assassin of his son is 'understandable' in his reasons for that, and he'd still be a criminal and punished as such. Quote:
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2009-06-10, 12:55 | Link #148 | |
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Okay, let's set some things straight.
1) I said girls and women are responsible for how they look, they can change their appearance, it's a result of their actions. I don't justify a damn thing in crimes and nothing I said had anything to do with rape victims. Don't assume things on your own. 2) Narona used the term "at fault" first, my quoting has to be coherent with the previous posting style. 3) Quote:
Before anyone else posts on this thread I expect them to carefully go through what people write, thanks. |
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2009-06-10, 12:56 | Link #149 | |
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Maybe you need to more *carefully* consider how you are writing. You keep using the phrases "responsible" and "at fault" ... I don't think you're grasping the nuances and associative implications of those phrases that lead everyone else in the thread to respond to you the way they are.
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2009-06-10, 13:01 | Link #151 | |
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And there are not the same in France.
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So a naturaly pretty girl should try to look ugly just because there are morons who don't respect the laws. I will say what i said again, being pretty and wearing nice clothes is not a crime and is not seen as a possible excuse for a crimina/rapistl by the court of law in France, thanksfully. And i doubt this is different in the US. I still say it, you're totally wrong. |
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2009-06-10, 13:04 | Link #153 | |
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You're all missing a very basic thing, the concept of beauty changes per individual. For a person who thinks they are pretty, they could be ugly to another. Everyone has their own perception of beauty, so saying things like "naturally pretty" are moot.
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2009-06-10, 13:08 | Link #154 | |
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You said "at fault", meaning that in a society it would be seen as a "fault", meaning that it is bad. That implies that in a court of law, it could be raised as a point to defend a criminal. But, there is no such things. Whatever a person's look, no one as a right to assault them, because it's not a fault. That's a fact. Period. |
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2009-06-10, 13:13 | Link #156 | |
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2009-06-10, 13:15 | Link #158 | |
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I don't believe in the right to assault females sexually on random, but neither do I believe that the girls should extrovertly flaunt themselves by underdressing.
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2009-06-10, 13:18 | Link #159 | |
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Well, personally, i am not wearing bikini-clothes and drink all night, not really my thing, but still, people that do that harm themselves, not others. Rapists, do exactly the opposite. And stuff like "you could have avoided" or "hum, you might not wanna wear this tonight" just make me want to flash certain people on another planet. One, can do whatever he wants, as long as he does not harm the other. And yes, even explicit clothing. |
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2009-06-10, 13:19 | Link #160 | |
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You can argue as much as you want, it's your personal opinion, but it doesn't mean that's right or legal or a possible valid excuse. |
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