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Scolding a flamer/troll does absolutly nothing. It just lets them know that someone has responded to their post and that they can post another flame/troll post. Trolls/Flamers tend to only flame in certain threads. These threads are usually mindless threads that don't fall under the category of "Meaningful conversation." or threads that have progressed past meaningful conversation into the area of heated discussions. So the best solution is to try and keep everything a "Meaningful Conversation" If a thread recieves a flame counter it with some "meaningful conversation." Keep this in mind and you too can help fight forum fires. |
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2004-01-13, 18:14 | Link #22 |
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I agree with JAppi, don't fan the flames of forest fires by talking to a Flamer. Like he said, they usually just want to gain attention and them selves are mently fucked up to start with. But then there are the flamers who are so fed up with horribly stupid posts and threads that they just respond and try to stop the people from talking. Or to show their displeasure with the Post/thread.
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2004-01-13, 23:19 | Link #23 | |
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In the old country, the teachers took the deliquent child to the town square and flogged him to within an inch of their lives (also a joke... please don't research what country i'm from ^^; ) My own views are.. i guess, a little harsh. bad behavior should be handled with quick and direct punishment. don't even bother with temporary bans, and jump straight to permbans. if they want to rejoin animesuki, they should send you an email expressing first their apologies, and second, the reason to why they should be allowed back into the forums. and dealing with flame wars.. unless they are directed at me i try to ignore them, otherwise,.. there IS a pm function that allows me to convey my personal opinions concerning the offender's mother, extended family, and sexual orientation.. though in all honesty, i haven't been a victim of a flame war yet (phew).
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2004-01-13, 23:38 | Link #24 |
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I say animesuki needs more mods, the more the better. Their are times when not a single mod is online for hours, sometimes even a whole day. Not like the current mods are not doing their jobs but they're just isn't enough of them to stop/prevent flame wars and enforce the current forum rules. But like what NoSanninWa said about having other forum members fighting the flames and helping to enforce the rules is also a good solution. I'll go with either just as long as the animesuki forums stays flame free.
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2004-01-13, 23:44 | Link #25 |
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Hmmm.........personally I think animesuki is kind of a nice place with not too many flammings............(well......yeah, I haven't been here for a while ^^bbb) so I guess it isn't necessary to get more mod.
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2004-01-14, 10:01 | Link #26 | |
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First of all, I'd like to apologise if any of my contributions on these forums fall under the flamebait (or outright flaming) category. I was pretty surprised when JAppi said:
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Yes, it's something I've done with this thread. I took the side of the extreme liberal, fearing any form of oppression that may result from an increase of thread lockdowns or user bans. I thought it would be interesting to question those who had posted, to make them really think about not just the fact that perhaps there was an increased level of flaming, but also to think about the ramifications brought about by any change. I'm not trying to push anyone into an argument, I like to think I am very suggestive with my opinions, rather than pretending that the case I put forwad is an invincible structure. All in all, it was only a bit of intellectual fun. You'll probably find me not to be so opinionated in real life. Now, if this behavior is frowned upon, I'll stop it. With all this talk of both mods and users spotting an increase in flaming, the problem must be worse than I had originally observed. Perhaps what I need, is an absolute answer to the question JAppi asked indirectly (if I read his post right), what is a flame? Hopefully some of the posts in this thread will provide good material towards deciding when one crosses over the line and enters flame-territory. Perhaps that's another reason why I've been a little forward wih my replies, because I wanted to make people realise that it isn't obvious (at least to me) what constitutes a flame or not. By replying with a little attitude, I've tried to get as close to the border of sensible discussion as possible. So for now, I bow to my fellow forum members and stand down from my soapbox. I offer my apologies if at any point anyone felt I ruined the mood, and I leave the floor open for others to tear my ramblings to bits :D |
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2004-01-14, 10:41 | Link #27 | |
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2004-01-14, 10:59 | Link #28 | |
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2004-01-14, 11:07 | Link #29 |
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Megane,
you didn't start a flame war here. All you started was a good spirited debate. We (I and Cammie) were only questioning where you were coming from to better understand what you were trying to get at. now Jappi is different. you have a tendency to jump into a thread and post some rude comments without providing decent feedback. you're one of the reasons why this thread was started. a good example is this: "Why the hell does this thread still exist? Shouldn't it be obvious? Buying bootlegs or downloading licensed anime makes you a leeching fuck. If you are a leeching fuck, you should probably kill yourself. Thank you. That is all the thread needs to contain! Not 5 pages of moraliy bullshit!" This was posted by Jappi in a thread that was eventually closed a little bit later. I was actively posting on this thread so that pissed me off a bit. And from what I hear, you've done this numerous times and I've seen at least one other person in here posting his frustration over your flaming tendencies. Regardless of whether the thread was getting stale or not, you have no right to be rude even if you wanted to get the thread closed. I admit, I've also been rude to others but that was during an argument. i was basically fighting back. you jump into an argument and start to flame for no reason. you are only 14 but there are many young posters in here as well and they are nowhere near as bothersome as you are. if you want to post a comment do it but don't pepper it with your cursings and force the thread to be closed by a mod. as for your comments. who are you to decide what is a meaningful conversation? that's opinionated. i may see it as meaningful and you may not based on interest. if you are not interested, stay out of it. but obviously from my example, it was interesting enough for you to enter the thread, read it and then post a comment. if the thread has been draggin' on for a while with no progress then either the mod will close it themselves or it will simply die. but don't put in your worthless flaming two cents in it... so i found it very humorous and ironic for you to be posting in this thread since you are one of the problems we are referring to. |
2004-01-14, 11:20 | Link #30 |
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Interesting.... how a thread about flamers turned into a flame.
Edit: For the punk who gave me a bad rep in this thread, go ahead and give me 50 more bad reps cuz I dont care. :fingers:
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2004-01-14, 11:26 | Link #31 | |
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no one flamed. i was restating an event that happened. and i politely pointed out that jappi had been annoying recently and he's a habitual flamer. i didn't cuss him out in anyway. this is not flaming. this subject is a gray area in need of further discussion...
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2004-01-14, 11:48 | Link #32 | |
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2004-01-14, 15:21 | Link #34 |
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I don't even know why I bother with you sometimes...
My whole point about meaningful conversation is that when there are several people posting and debating in a thread, one should not jump in and throw useless comments full of curses (as you have been doing) for the sole purpose of closing the thread. so if people A, B, C are chatting away and person D jumps in and post "you guys are morons. it should be blah blah blah and that's it. why do you all bother to continue jawing away pointlessly.. this thread should be closed!!!" , then that's outright flaming and you have done that. to those people, it was a meaningful conversation in that thread and it's not fair to them. you forced the topic to be closed because of your post. so if you don't value the topic of the thread and then avoid it. if you think your behavior can be considered meaningful conversation then urrr.. yeah okay... anyway, if you aren't going to contribute to a thread, then don't flame. you have done that. as for me flaming you in this thread. i don't think so because the topic is about habitual flamers and i am just stating that you have done this before... i can even pull out the thread you've done it in.. you haven't posted anything in that thread except that one lone flaming post. and for the age comment, i meant it as in you are 14 (or whatever you are i don't really care) but it shouldn't matter because there are people younger or older who can behave properly in AS and you haven't done that. it's not my problem if you lack english comprehension. edit: and just to prove myself, goto this closed thread here. tell me exactly how many post in this entire thread you have made... it's one... then tell me what the contents of your post were. it's the example i posted a bit earlier. i rest my case. http://forums.animesuki.com/showthre...0&page=1&pp=20 Last edited by dragonz20; 2004-01-14 at 15:38. |
2004-01-14, 16:21 | Link #35 |
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come on Jappi and Dragonz20. No need to get hot-headed and point fingers at each other. It's taking away from the purpose of the thread, which is to discuss habitual flaming and what can be done about it. Deciding who does or does not flame specifically isn't really the forum member's job. It breeds arguments and probably should be left to the people with any real authority here: the moderators. However, if you wish to continue accusing each other of flaming why don't you do it through private messages.
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2004-01-14, 16:21 | Link #36 |
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Please, I didn't make this thread to let people argue over who have done what, or to discuss whether they were justified or not. I made this in hopes that people might consider their own role in the forum society. Your intention may certainly not be to start a flamewar, but that might well be the end result if you let tensions gradually build up.
Sometimes it's just better to leave a "discussion" well alone, even if you feel like you haven't said everything you want to. If you fear that your "opponent" might think less of you for "fleeing" the topic, know that almost every sensible member will think higher of you for being the person to show some common sense. Some people just can't be argued with no matter how much in the right you are, and the trick is to know when further discussion is futile. Even if it feels like a loss to you, having avoided another flamewar will leave the forums a more enjoyable place for everyone else.
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2004-01-14, 16:42 | Link #37 |
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Hey people! Time to take a moment out for a reality check. All of a sudden people are arguing over who said what. I think that JAppi was just being tactlessly sarcastic as usual. Unfortunately sarcasm is a difficult art on the internet and JAppi's can be hard to understand. (Although I agree that he was pushing for a temp ban with that quote dragonz20 brought up.)
Megane made an interesting point about how arguments turn to flames. JAppi was just pointing out how that related to the current thread. He wasn't saying that Cammie and Megane were flaming each other, just that it could be misconstrued that way. Of course now things really are edging toward flames. We are entering the heated argument part of the cycle. Nobody has actually leveled any flames here, but if we are going to discuss flaming we should try to recognize the early part of the cycle so that we can stop it. I think that everyone actually agrees on the point, but you are arguing over the exact words. Listen to what AG3 just said and simply ignore the non-existant problem. Don't allow communication to break down like this.
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Thank you NoSanninWa, that is exactly what I meant. I don't really have anything else to say, but it's nice that atleast one person understood what I meant. |
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2004-01-14, 19:09 | Link #39 | |
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2004-01-14, 19:23 | Link #40 |
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Flamewars always depend on the people, the main reason is that people always want other people to see things the way they themselves see it (whether it's true or false)...and most of the time they never take into consideration that other people have their own opinions (again...whether it's true or false)....and with this continued stubborness they keep going on and on about the same thing....and it usually doesn't take long for things to take a wrong turn cause of the stubborness to keep on going...it's very rare to see someone give in or just walk away...
Another reason for flamewars is that sometimes people act very sarcastic (kinda like JAppi) and with that sarcasm other people take it the wrong way and always think it's some kind of insult...and with that they immediately have to argue or say something which usually is just as worst as the comment made by the sarcastic individual...now it's a bit hard to tell when a person is being sarcastic with writing but for the most part we can't take everything everyone says seriously...even though it's obvious when someone really isn't sarcastic...but with those we can't go in ranting and raving...if anyone needs to say anything they should just walk in defending the subject at hand like normal with no insults...and if the person keeps on going then it's a lost cause to keep on arguing and the defending person should just step aside...but like i said...the stubbornness kicks in and sometimes people can't just turn away until they change the other person's mind (something that very rarely happens) *sigh* i guess that's all i wanted to say...there have been a few more flamewars then there have been in the past...but most of the time they're ended very quickly... |
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