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2013-10-22, 11:08 | Link #31362 |
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http://www.kurir-info.rs/jovanku-bro...clanak-1045031
http://english.blic.rs/News/9972/Jov...nter-of-Serbia http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-24602696 Jovanka Broz Tito a widow of Josip Broz Tito a former president of SFRJ and a first lady died yesterday in 89th year of her life. Her funeral will be on Saturday in the House of Flowers. Where her husband has been buried. She was a great one of kind women. And she will be missed! R.I.P I am sure almost none of the younger people don't know who Tito and Jovanka were. But the older members should remember them.
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2013-10-22, 11:44 | Link #31363 |
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Ridwan's logic is completely backwards.
When a country goes through major instabilty, unrest, or revolution, the first thing they get rid of, is the king. The historically more stable countries still have kings, because they were more stable and therefore never revolutionized them away in a violent manner. Not the other way around. Whatever caused them to be stable over the last few centuries may still be around today, so there may be a correlation between monarchy and stability (which I really don't see, but whatever), but this is just that. |
2013-10-22, 12:08 | Link #31364 |
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Eh, that's exactly what I said, that their monarchies are still around because they were more stable throughout time. Rather then getting rid of the monarchy, it's better to evolve at the right pace. Evolution over revolution. When you get late to change though, the oil in the cauldron will get boiling and you get closer to explosive result.
Other then an indication of perpetual stability, symbolic monarchy also functions as a revered figurehead, above whatever conflicts are on going within the parliament, above the government. So in addition to being an indication of stability, symbolic monarchy is also a factor of relevance in upholding the said stability, even if it often seems that they just sit there and do nothing.
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2013-10-22, 12:16 | Link #31365 | |
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2013-10-22, 12:28 | Link #31366 |
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From what I see it, it's more like that the regionalist movements in Spain are hostile towards the right. It's complicated with Spain though, which had suffered more civil wars then any other European country for the last 200 hundred years and spent a quarter of that span time not as a monarchy. It's also been a bit too resistant to change for most of its history for various reasons.
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2013-10-22, 12:37 | Link #31367 | |
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Because you know, their only wrongdoing was that they weren't as progressive as the people wanted (Charles X was a full retard on that regard). And after 1789, the monarchy WAS a contitutional monarchy, and stayed that way until Louis-Philippe was overthrowned in 1848 ! And did you know that France was also called a "presidential monarchy" ? Since the establishment of the 5th Republic by De Gaulle, the president is directly elected by the people instead of the National Assembly, giving him powers akin to that of a king, instead of being something to a figurehead. |
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2013-10-22, 12:57 | Link #31370 |
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Yeah, the revolution failed. In the end, France took evolution, which process was often disturbed anyway by the deep polarization rooted in the first revolution. Third Republic was just Napoleon III doing horrible foreign policies. He wasn't so bad domestically.
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2013-10-22, 14:36 | Link #31371 | |
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For one thing, as Bri said, the difference between constitutional monarchies and other parliamentary democracies are mostly cosmetic. For another, we have monarchies that do well, monarchies that do badly, non-monarchies that do well, non-monarchies that do badly. |
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2013-10-22, 14:39 | Link #31372 | |
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1) Head of State 2) Head of Government How do you quantify the stress, discord and conflict that arises from the: "If you criticize the President, you're being anti-American!" net of arguments on "Why waste money on having a Monarch / Head of State!?"
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2013-10-22, 14:56 | Link #31373 |
I disagree with you all.
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None of us French people has any problem criticizing both our Head of State or our Head of Government, jointly or separately, over problems of style or substance. I'm pretty sure being too supportive would be considered, if not anti-, at least un-French.
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2013-10-22, 16:10 | Link #31376 |
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And you understood well. No matter what they do, it's never enough to please us.
To think that the day when I finally agree with Anh Minh came, soon the end of the world, or at least of France. I think the sentence that can represent us perfectly is : "French can either be perfect or aweful, never mediocre". Since they are never perfect, they are de facto aweful, middle isn't allowed. |
2013-10-22, 16:19 | Link #31379 |
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America generally followed the split executive/PM style of government for much of our history as there was unified control across the Presidency and both branches of Congress. For much of our history we had a division between the Executive, represented by the President, and the Speaker of House as the party's parliamentary leader. (The Senate was always a bit weird as it was appointed rather than directly elected until the Seventeenth Amendment was ratified in 1911.) The brief period during 2009-2010 when the ACA was passed is a good example.
Political scientist Samuel P. Huntington makes a strong case for the historical value of monarchies as they underwent modernization in his Political Order in Changing Societies. His discussion of the US as a "Tudor polity" frozen in time compared to evolving Europe also offers some good insights into these issues.
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2013-10-22, 16:30 | Link #31380 |
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When I think the human rights situation can't worsen in the USA, I am unpleasantly surprised; Call Yourself A Hacker, Lose Your 4th Amendment Rights.
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