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Here's a little guidance.
On page 15 on this thread you will find links to fairly detailed summaries of all 7 volumes... It will certainly help you a lot and it gives off a different vibe from the anime... Also tomorrow I will elaborate an idea that came to me this evening, but now I have no time as it is a bit long and even I have to think it trough in all aspects. good night....or day....(here is 21:45) :P
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2013-07-08, 04:07 | Link #1004 |
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^Looking forward to it csuree. I might as well start posting my observations and theories.
Introduction In the series, a number of characters are essentially being a "Pot calling the kettle black?". I wouldn't say all examples mean they're necessarily hypocrites, but I think they have all followed the phrase. So when I say I "hypocrite" I am referencing people who criticize someone else for a quality they have as well. Stated by Hachiman
Speculation Hayama may have meant there are other ways of doing things. But if so Hayama's only approaches his problems one way as well. My reference is around the middle of episode 12. Yui may believe misunderstanding others feelings is bad. But, Yui doesn't understand Hachiman feelings either. My reference is the end of episode 5. Perhaps, a reference is the final chapter of volume 7 also. Implying:
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2013-07-08, 09:53 | Link #1005 |
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episode 8: at around 15 minutes.
Hayama said: "So that's how you think. Now I kinda get why she looks out for you." Hachiman: "She?" I was thinking about who she might be? Many would say it is Yukinon or Yui. My theory would be: "She" is either Yui or Hiratsuka sensei. Arguments: Hayama's clique includes Yui. It is inevitable that Yui never slips her tongue. Also Hayama did not talk to Yukino until the slander's(libel - because it was written) incident. That is why we cannot assume that Yukino is looking out for him. And Yukino is still not friendly with 8man at all so she is definitely not looking out for him.(at this point) Hiratsuka would be another suspect because she guided Hayama to the club and she might have told him about 8man, and his mentality. also until now (vol.4) only Yui and her were looking out for 8man. well it wasn't as long as I expected but it did crunch my brain a little. I was looking for a reason to include Yukino too but I could not find one.
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But I firmly think that the "she" is Yukino. As you, I can find a reason, but I think it's the case (Since I felt it with the anime). |
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Hayato's line was more like : Quote:
The whole "hidden point" of volume 4 was knowing more about Yukinon. Thinking that Hayato (one of the sources of Yukinon related info in the volume) is speaking about Yui there (someone who he has shown absolutely no awareness "beyond friend" up to this point) is naturally a mistake. Furthermore Hayato hasn't shown any interest in Yui's nor Shizuka's social relationship with anyone up to this point (unlike Yukinon's, which we have seen a few times by then). If one wants to get more into it, and read that phrase romantically, then the identity of "she" it's obviously linked to who Hayato likes "Yu". Considering the timing of the reveal, the parallel between Rumi's and Yukinon's middle or grade school situation, the fact that Hayato had the chance to confess once before (aka "a long time ago") & Hayato interest into making things right for Rumi (which can be read as "personal" rather than being his usual self (This is also linked to Yukinon seeing herself in Rumi)); the "Yu" it's probably Yukinon. That would also go wonderfully with in line with some other statements such as Hayato's "I still wouldn't get along with you" about the scenario of Hikki being in the same grade school has Hayato & Yukinon, and Ebina's statement that Hayato usually looks unsettled or in pain when he looks at Hikki or interacts with him; for the Nth time, if who Hayato likes is Yukinon, he also believes that Yukinon is being drawn towards Hikki for who he is. Of course he wouldn't want to get a long with a guy who is winning a romantic race against him. That would also explain more clearly Yumiko's hate for Yukinon
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2013-07-08, 18:57 | Link #1008 |
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I don't understand why anyone would think Hayato was talking about Yui or Shizuka in the first place. He has no special connection to either of them, where as it was stated in the same volume that he was in the same class as Yukino since elementary school.
Anyway, does anyone have Ponkan8's novel illustrations for volume 6.25? |
2013-07-09, 23:47 | Link #1009 |
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Some fun subtitles should make each novel more memorable:
1. A Game of (Misan)Thropes 2. A Clash of Clubs 3. A Storm of SNAFU 4. A Feast for Cliques 5. A Dance with Delinquents 6. The Winds of (Best Girl) Winning 7. A Dream of Social Life |
2013-07-12, 01:05 | Link #1010 |
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Chapter 2-1 of Volume 1 is up on NanoDesu translations linked here.
An anon on 4chan was basically calling Hachiman pretentious recently, and Shizuka coincidentally accuses him of the same thing in this chapter. [In retrospect, others who don't like Hachiman have called him pretentious.] The author was aware of the interpretation because he wrote that. Perhaps, the detailed descriptions of Hachiman's ideology is the author suggesting to us that Hachiman believes what he says, at least somewhat. Last edited by terribad; 2013-07-12 at 01:21. |
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Didn't we know Hikki is pretentious all along (if noone else, I did at least.)? He has plenty of other flaws to be disliked for as well. And he has all intent not give up on any of these
Despite of that he is lot of smarter and more savy than average Kounibyou so he is able shoehorn it's elements on real word in a way it perfectly work and that is his strong point. I guess. Last edited by Tenzen12; 2013-07-13 at 02:00. |
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Ah, I don't think he is pretentious by the way. Quote:
However, his ideas are often against his emotions, and I think he mentioned this. I also think that is why people think Hachiman is pretentious. Another reason is that Hachiman's monologues aren't that easy, for me at least, to accurately recall or understand from his point of view. To illustrate, some think that asking Yukino to be his friend was a contradiction to his first essay and/or ideology. Actually, I'll stop there unless I'm asked to continue. Quote:
If he can perfectly shoehorn his ideology on to the real world, he may start to believe what he says is true. Unless, what he's saying has some great contradiction that he hasn't mentioned or I haven't noticed. |
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Where do you can find that hayato was yukinon's classmate at grade school ? Thank You |
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I like it that BT continue to translate oregairu and yeah although they're different but great minds really do think alike |
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subjectively speaking yes.(my opinion)
but objectively we can't say it for sure that she likes him or not but the suspicious attitude suggests it like this. a proper answer will probably emerge in later volumes
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