2012-12-25, 06:54 | Link #1201 | |
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2012-12-25, 08:33 | Link #1202 |
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Possibility: The "Creators" may have been created by an organic race, but later rebelled and in turn created organic technology (EG the BETA) who then produce the materials needed for their survival (G-Elements). Thus the BETA invasions are twofold: To gather resources for their civilization and to destroy any possibility of organic life reaching a stage wherein it can challenge the Creator civilization for dominance.
Third possibility: The BETA -ARE- alive, but the standards of what the Creators consider life means they (and Humans) don't apply as living things. So even if we made an attempt to communicate, the Creators woudl think of us like we think of Viruses: non-living but potentially harmful entities.
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2012-12-25, 08:56 | Link #1203 | |
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So saying its something only possible through BETA tech is not really accurate, though the advanced version present in there may very well be due to cross functional expression of protien bindings in BETA, say if we want to use the ABS that cause the lipids in the body to become explosives, etc. However, in that line of thought, you can say that everything in the MLverse is BETA derived, since everything from TSFs to the food they eat are for countering the BETA. Having the BETA come in during the 70s means that every tech develped on earth since then has to have been influenced by the BETA, thus BETA tech. If we talk about technology that is only possible through the use of BETA though, such as the Unit 00, that is a different thing altogether.
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2012-12-25, 13:43 | Link #1209 | ||
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Given what the BETA are, and what they are doing, there is the possibility that the Creator's civilization is virtually run on G-elements, just like people say ours is on oil. Thus it could be inferred that they've been weaponizing G-elements and utilizing them on a galactic scale for quite sometime. Think of the XG-70s, now think of billions if not trillions of floating alien death fortresses far more developed than those occasionally defective human prototypes. All the assaults we have seen the BETA send throughout the MuvLuv world, are just tiny pokes by automated miners under the command of a restricted AI. It may take like a few seconds for the Creators to reduce our planet into cosmic ash. Such dreadful possibilities is why I find the MuvLuv universe so interesting, I also find the possibility that the BETA are machines and view us as machines deliciously ironic given how frightful we are of our own machines rebelling. This latter cause is why I am especially interested in the thought of BETA as machines. And Merry Christmas! |
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2012-12-25, 14:00 | Link #1210 | |
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Spoiler for Broke the 4th and 5th wall to make a barrier:
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2012-12-25, 14:09 | Link #1211 | |
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2012-12-25, 14:17 | Link #1212 | |
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In either case, I find it extremely hard to believe a civilization like the Creators would be so willing to delegate such a task to mere mining machines, if anything they should have authorized the BETA to employ combat or research-specific strains rather than the blunt miners they have now. The risks of humanity tracking the BETA and re-engineering their technology would be way too great, if anything the slow mob approach the BETA are taking now is actually helping humanity by facilitating technological progress. If humanity had truly united and stopped trying to "prepare" for a "post-BETA Cold War", the BETA would have been defeated years ago. Last edited by LystAP; 2012-12-25 at 14:41. |
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2012-12-25, 14:58 | Link #1213 | |
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2012-12-25, 15:17 | Link #1214 | |
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The Superior never explicitly states that it considers humanity a threat during its conversation with Takeru, all it directly states is that it considers humanity as resources to be re-processed; I don't recognize any part of that statement in which it lists humanity as a threat to "combat" even after completing its experiment; thus I had came to the conclusion that the Creator is in part unaware of humanity, given that the BETA have not changed their assessment during Takeru's discussion nor did the Superior consider the BETA-Human conflict a "war" at all. For me, I just find it highly improbable that humanity as it is would have ANY chance against powers that span the universe. While the Creator may be a singular figure, it could also be interpreted as a single species; we just do not know. Last edited by LystAP; 2012-12-25 at 15:40. |
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2012-12-25, 16:41 | Link #1216 | |
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The Superior "attacked" to protect itself against humanity's "attacks", not that it considered humanity a threat as a whole. It believes humanity to be a equal to it, aka another machine, or "resources to be processed". Beyond that, it doesn't recognize itself humanity as a threat, nor does it recognize that it's "killing" anything. Even with a army of Susanoos, humanity still only has a planet or two of G-elements to create and fuel those with, while the Creator has literally a universe of suppliers. Logistically, humanity is still in a crapshoot, and the Superior was only stating existences similar to it, in a precise response to Takeru's question. The Superior may have left out other existences for other roles, there may be even more BETA-analogs the Creator set aside for other tasks. That's not even considering the possibility that there may be alien intelligences other than the Creator that also employ entities similar to the BETA and with a similar viewpoint. Humanity has only one small world, and there's a BIG universe out there. Even in the most realistic analysis of a potential full-scale alien invasion, the outlook is never good. I have come to believe that the only reason humanity has lasted so long in the MuvLuv verse is that the BETA (before and after finishing their experiment) never believed they were invading anything . |
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2012-12-25, 16:49 | Link #1217 | |
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2012-12-25, 17:37 | Link #1218 |
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Until Kouki makes a Alternative 2 or something focusing on the BETA, all we have is conjecture. Although, I think there is one thing we can all agreed on; given the story in Total Eclipse and Resurrection; is that the BETA aren't the only reason why humanity is screwed. You think what the XG-70 did to the BETA is impressive, imagine what that technology can do to other humans.
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2012-12-25, 17:41 | Link #1219 | |
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2012-12-25, 20:00 | Link #1220 |
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Two words: Quantum Causality.
It might be that the threat humanity poses has nothign to do with our firepower/combat ability or whatnot, but the potential for individuals with the ability to change circumstances--so much so as to even bring individuals from alternate dimensions or to reset existence until the ideal reasult (or the closest ideal result) is achieved. EG, humans have the potential to be a "Demon" that changes the fabric of reality. For further reading and comparison: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laplace%27s_demon (Might interest Gundam Unicorn fans, too) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schr%C3%B6dinger%27s_cat (To Aru Majutsu No Index fans know this very well) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unexpected_hanging_paradox (TAKERU THIS IS RECOMMENDED READING FOR YOU BEFORE YOU THINK YOU KNOW EVERYTHING)
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