The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya - Episode 12 Discussion / Poll [2009 added ep. 2]

[Jill-Jênn]

Hey, I have spelling corrections for the new subs, where do you think I can find Mazui to show them to him?

[Dakota]

Originally Posted by Jill-Jênn

Hey, I have spelling corrections for the new subs, where do you think I can find Mazui to show them to him?

Nowhere. This guy does rushed subs to bring service, I think. That's why subs were up within eight hours from the airing in Japan. But you won't find his site anywhere ever.

What an enigma. Just wait for a.f.k. to do the /good/ subs or watch Coal/gg's definitely-not-as-good subs.



+edit+...ALSO "Mazui" literally means "it's awful" in Japanese. Go figure.

[Starry Dust]

It's grand that Haruhi is officially back but I found this episode mediorce.

It was still enjoyable though and fits into the perfect time for summer.
Loved the slice-of-life and watching Mikuru being helpless as ever xD

And like Kyon, I never finish my summer assignments on time.
I wait for the last minute

( and end up failing in some cases D; )

[Kirarakim]

I really enjoyed this episode. I read the novel for this but its been so long that I forgot the events of this story but it did come rushing back to me so now I look forward to how they will handle the next episode.

As an adaption I think they did a good job. Watching the slice of life aspects are a whole lot more fun than reading about them. I think they did a really good job of bringing the moments to life so to speak.

My favorite moment was definitely when Yuki bought the mask and when Haruhi let the cicadas go.

[Soelke]

Originally Posted by Arrnea

Wait for the next one.

Addendum: Assuming you haven't read the story in the novel already.

Well, I already know what happens during the summer, but compared to some of the other situations this is considerably subtle. (In my opinion, at least)

[Change of Pace]

KOIZUMI: "THIS IS HOW YOU CATCH CICADAS WITH FLAIR."

[stubby42]

I enjoyed this episode but it posed some pretty interesting questions regarding Mikuru and her history.

For example she was un familar with traditional Japanese dress, so does that mean she isnt Japanese (is she from another country we'd be familar with in our time frame)? or does it mean that in the future Japan doesnt exist as a country?

She also seemed to be pretty un familar with fire works, which is strange because fire works have existed for thousands of years (as has traditional japanese dress), its not like they'll suddenly disapear in the future.

[Vexx]

Kind of makes you wonder how far from the future she is, eh?

[Tyabann]

Originally Posted by stubby42

For example she was un familar with traditional Japanese dress, so does that mean she isnt Japanese (is she from another country we'd be familar with in our time frame)? or does it mean that in the future Japan doesnt exist as a country?

Mikuru is probably Japanese, or at least looks it. Her hair is described as "brown" in the novels...

Originally Posted by stubby42

She also seemed to be pretty un familar with fire works, which is strange because fire works have existed for thousands of years (as has traditional japanese dress), its not like they'll suddenly disapear in the future.

Her lack of familiarity with modern physical technology suggests she's from thousands of years into the future where they no longer use physical technology at all.

[Suika-Esper]

Originally Posted by stubby42

I enjoyed this episode but it posed some pretty interesting questions regarding Mikuru and her history.

For example she was un familar with traditional Japanese dress, so does that mean she isnt Japanese (is she from another country we'd be familar with in our time frame)? or does it mean that in the future Japan doesnt exist as a country?

She also seemed to be pretty un familar with fire works, which is strange because fire works have existed for thousands of years (as has traditional japanese dress), its not like they'll suddenly disapear in the future.

I think it's just that she's not Japanese, being a red-head and all.

[relentlessflame]

Deleted 12 more posts, and will start issuing infractions to people who didn't listen after last time. Novel Readers: do not so much as mention what will happen in future episodes. No Hints. Final warning.

[Ithekro]

I thought someone discribed Mikuru as a foreigner once.

Fireworks could be as simple as them being illegal in her time, and/or she's spent most of her time indoors (like say on an Arcology) and thus never been in a place that used fireworks. Would also explain why she has no clue about boats.

[Roger Rambo]

Originally Posted by stubby42

I enjoyed this episode but it posed some pretty interesting questions regarding Mikuru and her history.

For example she was un familar with traditional Japanese dress, so does that mean she isnt Japanese (is she from another country we'd be familar with in our time frame)? or does it mean that in the future Japan doesnt exist as a country?

She also seemed to be pretty un familar with fire works, which is strange because fire works have existed for thousands of years (as has traditional japanese dress), its not like they'll suddenly disapear in the future.

In lone island syndrome (at least the novel) Mikuru expressed curiosity/astoundment when she saw a boat. The time period Mikuru potentially comes from could be as far removed from us as we are from stone age people.

Originally Posted by Ithekro

I thought someone discribed Mikuru as a foreigner once.

Fireworks could be as simple as them being illegal in her time, and/or she's spent most of her time indoors (like say on an Arcology) and thus never been in a place that used fireworks. Would also explain why she has no clue about boats.

Or everyone is interfaced with machines.

[stubby42]

Mikuru is probably Japanese, or at least looks it. Her hair is described as "brown" in the novels...

Well are you talking about ethnicity or country of birth? unless the subs are wrong she says

Spoiler for since were not talking in detail yet:

so this is the traditional dress of this country

Which implies shes not from Japan.

As for the idea that she'd be unfamilar of fire works, I suppose its possible but to be honnest technological changes and cultural changes dont really work like that. Its a cultural activity practiced the world over, technology only disapears when something better replaces it, fire works serve no pracitcal purpose so nothing is likely to replace them or something happens that causes us to loose knowledge (think Roman empire to the dark ages) but that seems unlikely because our ability to produce information and record it has grown dramatically.

I thought someone discribed Mikuru as a foreigner once.

Ok, that might make more sense I really want to start reading the novels but I dont have the money to buy them.

[Tyabann]

Originally Posted by Ithekro

I thought someone discribed Mikuru as a foreigner once.

Don't remember this at all.

Originally Posted by Ithekro

Fireworks could be as simple as them being illegal in her time, and/or she's spent most of her time indoors (like say on an Arcology) and thus never been in a place that used fireworks. Would also explain why she has no clue about boats.

...Everyone in our time over the age of four knows about boats. She didn't even know how boats WORKED. This implies that boats have become obsolete in the future.

Originally Posted by Roger Rambo

Or everyone is interfaced with machines.

I have this crack theory that the espers' Agency will eventually gain the technology the aliens use and give rise to the time travelers, who use biotech and live in machine worlds.

Originally Posted by stubby42

Well are you talking about ethnicity or country of birth? unless the subs are wrong she says

I'm saying she looks Japanese. She might actually be European for all we know, but she looks Japanese enough not to stand out.

Supposedly, far, far in the future, as people across the world interbreed, we will all eventually have brown hair and olive skin. Like Greeks.

Originally Posted by stubby42

As for the idea that she'd be unfamilar of fire works, I suppose its possible but to be honnest technological changes and cultural changes dont really work like that. Its a cultural activity practiced the world over, technology only disapears when something better replaces it, fire works serve no pracitcal purpose so nothing is likely to replace them or something happens that causes us to loose knowledge (think Roman empire to the dark ages) but that seems unlikely because our ability to produce information and record it has grown dramatically.

Advanced holographic technology could easily replace pretty explosives.

[ReddyRedWolf]

Or by Quantum leap explanation... Her brain is Swiss cheese.

[typhonsentra]

Are there any decent subs out for this thing yet? I'm surprised no one's working on something this anticipated.

[Roger Rambo]

Originally Posted by stubby42

As for the idea that she'd be unfamilar of fire works, I suppose its possible but to be honnest technological changes and cultural changes dont really work like that. Its a cultural activity practiced the world over, technology only disapears when something better replaces it, fire works serve no pracitcal purpose so nothing is likely to replace them or something happens that causes us to loose knowledge (think Roman empire to the dark ages) but that seems unlikely because our ability to produce information and record it has grown dramatically.

Unless of course they're a post singularity civilization that has been interfaced with computers for the last thousand generations. The trivial purposeless entertainment of a civilization like that would be mind bogglingly different than anything we could think of.

In this civilization, knowing about boats and chemical explosives of any kind either makes you a history buff of a crazy survivalist.

Originally Posted by Kaisos Erranon

Advanced holographic technology could easily replace pretty explosives.

You don't need holograms if you've got a computer plugged directly into your head that can make you see shit.

[Heatth]

Originally Posted by Roger Rambo

Unless of course they're a post singularity civilization that has been interfaced with computers for the last thousand generations. The trivial purposeless entertainment of a civilization like that would be mind bogglingly different than anything we could think of.

very advanced, e different, computer, BTW. Mikuru didn't know how use a regular one in Day of Sagitarius.

You don't need holograms if you've got a computer plugged directly into your head that can make you see shit.

Is more or less how imagine Mikuru's era technology.

[Vexx]

Originally Posted by typhonsentra

Are there any decent subs out for this thing yet? I'm surprised no one's working on something this anticipated.

There is a sub or two (sloppy speed subs). I'd assume the usual turn-around for the bigger groups. I sincerely doubt "no one's working" on it. ....