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NoemiChan · 2012-12-10, 21:55

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Originally Posted by Obelisk ze Tormentor

*read the manga*

OMG! What is this?!

You're welcome... Chapter 5 please....

Kakkou · 2012-12-10, 23:02

So I decided to read just to see what all the discussion is about and I found myself appreciating the anime more despite it's flaws. I can thank the manga for that at least! Well I guess this was kind of expected since this is meant to be a shonen manga but... eh, I think Triple_R's impression pretty much sums up my own. Zero subtlety, 300% more lesbian action (Mind you it was pretty hot but I'd read a H doujin/manga if I were looking for that) and sure as hell isn't more mature. No, having twice the nudity, sex and violence does not a mature story make.

Also where's Shun? There's this black haired guy with the same name but he sure as hell isn't Shun!

I guess the artist decided to replace him with a new character to appeal to the magazine readers more.

Alas, this just isn't interesting compared to the anime so I don't plan on reading anymore. Maybe I'll have a quick glance if they decide to give Satoru x Shun as much attention as they've been giving the hawt lezbian secks but I seriously doubt they will, at all.

That's what pixiv's for!

kuromitsu · 2012-12-11, 05:02

Yeah, it's pretty much the Hollywood B action flick version of the story. xD Violence! Sex! Love story! In your face!

Out with the boring parts, who cares about background info and worldbuilding and characterization?

The love interest is beefed up into an action guy, the heroine's crush is turned from innocent akogare into full-blown LOVE♥ and now we have explicit sex, with a clingy and needy Maria because omg that's so hot.

And the other two guys are just sort of there as a background pattern. (OK, IIRC Mamoru actually did something? something very out of character.)

TBH I am sort of curious about how the manga is going to deal with later happenings, especially when the well of hot 2 girl action goes dry and some, ahem, "little pets" enter the picture (so to speak). Then again, it is a "loosely inspired by" version so I guess it'll continue to deviate wildly from the source material...

deadsea · 2012-12-11, 10:17

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Originally Posted by kuromitsu

Yeah, it's pretty much the Hollywood B action flick version of the story. xD Violence! Sex! Love story! In your face!

Out with the boring parts, who cares about background info and worldbuilding and characterization?

The love interest is beefed up into an action guy, the heroine's crush is turned from innocent akogare into full-blown LOVE♥ and now we have explicit sex, with a clingy and needy Maria because omg that's so hot.

And the other two guys are just sort of there as a background pattern. (OK, IIRC Mamoru actually did something? something very out of character.)

TBH I am sort of curious about how the manga is going to deal with later happenings, especially when the well of hot 2 girl action goes dry and some, ahem, "little pets" enter the picture (so to speak). Then again, it is a "loosely inspired by" version so I guess it'll continue to deviate wildly from the source material...

hahahah +10, I don´t know how pp can say that manga adaptation is better, its like sex-->action---> sex, I find that scenes very out of place, and too much for 12 years old, the sex scene between Maria and saki was disgusting --too much

Malkuth · 2012-12-14, 12:00

The fact that I disagree with the way female viewers/reader want to see this is obvious, but let me put it this way... Both adaptions divert from the original because they are intended for different audiences. Both cut down some material, and expand on other, in order to appeal to different genders and ages. There is nothing bad about it (IMHO at least, obviously a trio here strongly disagrees). Actually I think it's better to get a NoitaminA-like animated version, since a proper adaption would never get enough funds, and usually it's better in these cases not to attract to much attention from the mainstream

deadsea · 2012-12-17, 23:07

is out already

Spoiler for Cover vol 2:

NoemiChan · 2012-12-17, 23:14

People may just read this just for the SEX, which the anime lacks...

NoemiChan · 2012-12-18, 02:47

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Originally Posted by bigdeal000

I only read the first chapter, but holy ****, since when are 12-years old so damn big?? But it was fun.
Wait, that's not the point. It might be manga-original, but I like the way they handled Reiko. She had a lot more development and I'm happy to see that after the way she just disappeared from the anime (no, I never read the novel). And they had a nice way to tie it in with the cats and brainwashing parts of the plot, so nothing lost there. Off to read more porn

I agree.. can't wait for the next Vol 2. Don't mind the RAWS.. The pictures will speak by themselves...

kuromitsu · 2012-12-18, 09:38

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Originally Posted by bigdeal000

After reading all the 4 chapters out right now, my opinion has not changed. The manga pays more attention to the characters. For instance, we never see this side of Maria in the anime,

Because she has no such side, the manga pretty much came up with all that all on its own. Same how manga!Shun has basically nothing to do with the Shun in the novel or the anime.

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Originally Posted by bigdeal000

Mamoru is shown to be a coward from the start, which is good imo, because his sudden "STOP THIS, I DONT WANT TO HEAR IT ANYMORE" in episode 11 really came without any foreshadowing.

Then you weren't paying attention - he's been like that from episode 1.

(In fact, he did the "stop this, I don't want to hear it anymore" with the minoshiro library critter, too.)

Malkuth · 2012-12-18, 12:09

Black-honey-chan... that is just your denial there... there was that side in the novel, but not as developed as in the manga... the anime similarly expands on more harmless aspects for your the masses delight... I really don't get you girls ripping on the manga for deciding to extend other aspects of the source

NoemiChan · 2012-12-18, 14:50

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Originally Posted by bigdeal000

For instance, we never see this side of Maria in the anime,

..and Saki too yeah... The sex scenes saved this manga from getting ignored. hardcore!

kuromitsu · 2012-12-18, 18:14

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Originally Posted by Malkuth

Black-honey-chan... that is just your denial there... there was that side in the novel, but not as developed as in the manga... the anime similarly expands on more harmless aspects for your the masses delight... I really don't get you girls ripping on the manga for deciding to extend other aspects of the source :uhoh:

Oh wow, so my gender is now a basis for dismissing my opinion! :D (But what if I lied about it? :D You'll never know...) Well damn, if you present me with such a perfectly formed argument (solid as granite!) that you present in such a respectful and convincing way I simply do not find it in myself to disagree. Do not, I tell you. I must bow to your irrefutable superiority.

(So hey, since apparently you've already immersed yourself in the source material... if you would be so kind as to present some quotes or something? But only if you want to, just to help me realize how deluded I am.)

Malkuth · 2012-12-21, 15:36

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Originally Posted by kuromitsu

Oh wow, so my gender is now a basis for dismissing my opinion!

(But what if I lied about it?

You'll never know...) Well damn, if you present me with such a perfectly formed argument (solid as granite!) that you present in such a respectful and convincing way I simply do not find it in myself to disagree. Do not, I tell you. I must bow to your irrefutable superiority.

It's not a matter of gender, just that in this case, the most fierce opponents of the manga take on the source material have one common attribute... probably more, but this is the one you mentioned a couple of times.

Despite gender influencing viewpoints, I am sure that certain girls would agree that the manga does a better job than the anime, and vice versa.

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Originally Posted by kuromitsu

(So hey, since apparently you've already immersed yourself in the source material... if you would be so kind as to present some quotes or something? But only if you want to, just to help me realize how deluded I am.)

I have already for the expert you posted last month... but I doubt that line by line to frame by frame and panel to panel comparison has anything to offer (to anyone). I have mentioned several times what I do and not like in both the anime and the manga conceptually and why. While I agree to a certain extent with a lot of the negatives you have pointed out in the manga, I am not so easy to dismiss it as trash, since they don't really bother me that much. That is not the case with the anime, where storytelling is handled very badly, and I don't see the point in recycling all those arguments again.

deadsea · 2012-12-25, 14:00

Some shots from the manga

Spoiler for Fapistic material:

so the manga adaptation appeals to the grotesque and yuri

NoemiChan · 2012-12-25, 20:30

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Originally Posted by deadsea

so the manga adaptation appeals to the grotesque and yuri

Some online commentaries called it the "corrupted version" of the anime that focus more in "yuri" other than the story itself.

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Originally Posted by bigdeal000

Wel, none of that works for me. Anyone else has the same problem? (I can see them if I copy the url and use it, but that's that)

To be exact.. It's disgusting!

Archon_Wing · 2012-12-26, 22:03

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Originally Posted by Obelisk ze Tormentor

*read the manga*

OMG! What is this?!

It's like reading To-Love-Ru with moar mystery and yuri action!

The To Love Ru analogy rings true, and exactly why I'm very indifferent towards it. Attractive character designs, "meh" scenes, and it's never long enough. They don't make use of it well enough except for contrivance. (kinda like a certain Yosuga no Sora sometimes). I couldn't tell you more since I got bored and immediately skipped to the titty scenes which were only a few pages.

I suppose it's a nice tease, but this could really be any yuri manga. Honestly, I felt the anime showed less but ending up getting more.

Didn't compare the plot since one must be insane to think I was aiming for that.

For now it's just a doujin to me. It could have served as a counterpart to the more PC anime, for those that are intresting into the other side of sexuality that gets downplayed in the anime but I don't see it atm.

Xion Valkyrie · 2012-12-31, 22:36

Just read chapters 5-8

So uh, seems like a lot of differences from the anime?

NoemiChan · 2013-01-01, 04:36

Just the whole volume thanks him ^

Anyway....

Spoiler for Volume 2 5 -8 BIG SPOILER!!!!:

deadsea · 2013-01-01, 16:40

so no bonobos behaviour? ....
everything was so fast, no time skip ,Saki-Shun meeting was more bittersweet here, in the anime was more tragic and the queerat arc was meh here.

NoemiChan · 2013-01-01, 16:48

Also note... about the season

It's harvest season???

2012-12-11, 05:02	Link #23
kuromitsu Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2004	Yeah, it's pretty much the Hollywood B action flick version of the story. xD Violence! Sex! Love story! In your face! Out with the boring parts, who cares about background info and worldbuilding and characterization? The love interest is beefed up into an action guy, the heroine's crush is turned from innocent akogare into full-blown LOVE♥ and now we have explicit sex, with a clingy and needy Maria because omg that's so hot. And the other two guys are just sort of there as a background pattern. (OK, IIRC Mamoru actually did something? something very out of character.) TBH I am sort of curious about how the manga is going to deal with later happenings, especially when the well of hot 2 girl action goes dry and some, ahem, "little pets" enter the picture (so to speak). Then again, it is a "loosely inspired by" version so I guess it'll continue to deviate wildly from the source material... Last edited by kuromitsu; 2012-12-11 at 05:25.

2012-12-17, 23:07	Link #26
deadsea Member Join Date: Apr 2011	is out already Spoiler for Cover vol 2: __________________

2012-12-25, 14:00	Link #34
deadsea Member Join Date: Apr 2011	Some shots from the manga Spoiler for Fapistic material: so the manga adaptation appeals to the grotesque and yuri __________________ Last edited by deadsea; 2012-12-26 at 13:02.

2013-01-01, 04:36	Link #38
NoemiChan Banned Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Philippines Age: 36	Just the whole volume thanks him ^ Anyway.... Spoiler for Volume 2 5 -8 BIG SPOILER!!!!: The story was so fast track compared to the anime. Spoiler for Yuri Spoiler!!!!: None!!!! Hahahaha!!!! Anyway.. A lot of the questions were answer in this volume... about the Karma Demon etc. To those Shun X Saki Fans like me, then this is the volume for us. Damn, I was listening to Lacus's Fields of Hope when reading the scene where the two managed to confess to each other... A big tear jerker!!! Thanks to the absence of yuri, the volume became my favorite,.. Very sad I say... that is the farewell..... I love this manga!!!!

2013-01-01, 16:40	Link #39
deadsea Member Join Date: Apr 2011	so no bonobos behaviour? .... everything was so fast, no time skip ,Saki-Shun meeting was more bittersweet here, in the anime was more tragic and the queerat arc was meh here. __________________

2012-12-10, 23:02	Link #22
Kakkou Tch. Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Australia	So I decided to read just to see what all the discussion is about and I found myself appreciating the anime more despite it's flaws. I can thank the manga for that at least! Well I guess this was kind of expected since this is meant to be a shonen manga but... eh, I think Triple_R's impression pretty much sums up my own. Zero subtlety, 300% more lesbian action (Mind you it was pretty hot but I'd read a H doujin/manga if I were looking for that) and sure as hell isn't more mature. No, having twice the nudity, sex and violence does not a mature story make. Also where's Shun? There's this black haired guy with the same name but he sure as hell isn't Shun! I guess the artist decided to replace him with a new character to appeal to the magazine readers more. Alas, this just isn't interesting compared to the anime so I don't plan on reading anymore. Maybe I'll have a quick glance if they decide to give Satoru x Shun as much attention as they've been giving the hawt lezbian secks but I seriously doubt they will, at all. That's what pixiv's for!

2012-12-14, 12:00	Link #25
Malkuth Banned Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: London Age: 43	The fact that I disagree with the way female viewers/reader want to see this is obvious, but let me put it this way... Both adaptions divert from the original because they are intended for different audiences. Both cut down some material, and expand on other, in order to appeal to different genders and ages. There is nothing bad about it (IMHO at least, obviously a trio here strongly disagrees). Actually I think it's better to get a NoitaminA-like animated version, since a proper adaption would never get enough funds, and usually it's better in these cases not to attract to much attention from the mainstream

2012-12-17, 23:14	Link #27
NoemiChan Banned Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Philippines Age: 36	People may just read this just for the SEX, which the anime lacks...

2012-12-18, 12:09	Link #30
Malkuth Banned Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: London Age: 43	Black-honey-chan... that is just your denial there... there was that side in the novel, but not as developed as in the manga... the anime similarly expands on more harmless aspects for your the masses delight... I really don't get you girls ripping on the manga for deciding to extend other aspects of the source

2012-12-31, 22:36	Link #37
Xion Valkyrie Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007	Just read chapters 5-8 So uh, seems like a lot of differences from the anime?

2013-01-01, 16:48	Link #40
NoemiChan Banned Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Philippines Age: 36	Also note... about the season It's harvest season???