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Originally Posted by Swampstorm
Ranka enjoyed singing before she even met Alto. Singing Aimo represented her connection to a past that she couldn't remember, and she aspired to one day become a famous singer just like Sheryl.
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Exactly. It all started as a connection to the past. Ranka admired Sheryl though not only as a singer, she also loved her confidence. She said she wanted to become like her one day (ep. 02) exactly for this confidence and aura of her she was obviously lacking. It was not only about singing, although if you listen to a songstress you must like her singing as well.
This is something that makes her different from Sheryl, I suppose. Ranka already sang, she just thought she could have used her songs to become something more.
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You can quote any number of earlier times in which Ranka came to Alto for advice, but they differed in the fact that they were about finding the courage to pursue something that Ranka knew she wanted to do.
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Technically, in ep. 16 Ozma asked her if this is what Ranka wanted to do, and Ranka answered "yes"
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The question with episode seventeen was not about finding the courage to become Frontier's weapon, but rather whether it was alright to use her song in that way. Ranka initially had reservations about doing it, and was in low spirits. In order to resolve these doubts, she needed to address whether this new role fit in with her dreams, and to decide whether she really believed in it.
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Let's quit the part about fitting in with her dreams for a moment, alright?
It was never even addressed in the show as a theme
Currently -> singing to the people of Frontier != singing to save the people of Frontier
In ep. 14 Ranka sympathized with the Vajra. After that it was obvious she wouldn't have been pleased that her songs were used to kill Vajra, but that was all.
What I question is whether Ranka was trying to gain Alto's approval or asking for Alto's support.
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Let's take a look at the dialogue. Ranka is initially downcast, and asks Alto "Is it alright?" In response, Alto acknowledges "That's what I think, at least." Instantaneously, you see a change in her demeanor. Rather than seeing whether this is something that she wants to do, Ranka only looks to see if this is something that Alto would want her to do. That's why she starts to run into problems in this episode.
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Have you ever thought that maybe what Alto said actually convinced her?
When Alto said that people in his squad were happy because it made them easier to fight, Ranka could have stopped asking. She could already have thought that for herself, because it was obvious that doing that would have helped Alto in battle.
Ranka instead was having moral qualms, even Alto understood that. Alto gave Ranka a way to think about the situation that would have made her feel better. Alto not finishing a sentence was sounding a bit insecure of himself (more like quoting a textbook than a personal opinion), that's why Ranka had to make sure with a further question. How can you learn to be confident about something you have doubts with when even people you know are not sounding very secure about that? With his last line he was smiling, and that made him look a lot more confident. Ranka felt joy because she found a solution for her problems, and she was also in awe because it was Alto, only Alto, always Alto who gave her that.
This is Alto's appeal to Ranka. Ozma is always over-protective, but Alto gives Ranka stimulating, useful, well thought-out advice. This is support.
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Had Ranka decided that she wanted to help the people of Frontier as part of her original goal to leave a mark on society,
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What do they have to do with each others? Yeah, singing is involved with both, but aside from that? Frankly, I am tired of always hearing this nonsense
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But because she based her decision on what she thought Alto would want her to do, she ended up in a situation where she doesn't really enjoy what she's doing.
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She is so not enjoying it that she went into battle without being told to, and kept singing even when it was not needed anymore
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The scenes are presented in a gender specific context
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Uh... I assume you are meaning that humans have two sexes. I think it's an extreme case of stating the obvious, though
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The reason why I generalized the situation is because it's much easier for many people (myself included) to relate to this problem if it's presented in a gender independent fashion.
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This problem was never presented in a gender fashion even in Frontier to begin with. In ep. 14 it was about adults and children, not about women and men. If you remember something I don't, point it out to me
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As for rhetoric... even the act of you pointing this out is rhetoric in itself.
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No, because it's a fact. This is the distinction between rhetoric and logic.
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It doesn't matter what your agenda is; the only things that matter are your points and how you argue them.
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Rhetoric is not about agendas, it's about arguements. Lousy arguements. Usually with a lot of adjectives
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These two things are not mutually exclusive. Ranka can retain her individuality, and pursue a relationship with Alto at the same time.
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Let's say she is not stone cold and she can't. Now, what do you think?
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Maslow wasn't laying down a doctorine on how we "should" prioritize our needs; he was laying out a system describing how people tend to prioritize their needs.
If you try to conciously make decisions using Maslow's hierarchy of needs, it might result in something like "Hmm... I really do want to overcome my poor self-esteem, but Maslow's triangle tells me that it's more important just to have sex."
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Once an individual has moved upwards to the next level, needs in the lower level will no longer be prioritized. If a lower set of needs is no longer being met, the individual will temporarily re-prioritize those needs by focusing attention on the unfulfilled needs, but will not permanently regress to the lower level . For instance, a businessman at the esteem level who is diagnosed with cancer will spend a great deal of time concentrating on his health (physiological needs), but will continue to value his work performance (esteem needs) and will likely return to work during periods of remission.
You have poor self-esteem by choice, don't blame lack of sex
I didn't cite Maslow to tell you how to take your decisions. The point was that different individuals may have different priorities, and that was perfectly natural to do so. So natural even psychologists noticed that.
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It's inappropiate to talk about POV in the absence of a narrator, and we can't presume to know the writers' intentions.
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(sophisms just because you want to contradict me won't earn you a point
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In movies and video games first- and third-person are often used to describe camera viewpoints; the former being a character's own, and the latter being the more familiar "general" camera showing a scene.
In this case, we see Ranka running up the stairs, and then she comes out and see Alto and Sheryl together. Because of this, this is Ranka's POV. If Ranka ran up the stairs, met Alto and then Sheryl came, it would have been Ranka's POV too. She is the person that the camera is following, that makes it her scene.
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The irony of the scene is that for all intents and purposes, Ranka has won out. She's reached the top of the music world, and her rival is dying. The conversation on the rooftop between Alto and Sheryl isn't about romance; it's simply about Sheryl telling Alto the truth about her impending death.
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This is another thing taken as truth because it was mentioned so many times. How can you say that Sheryl was going to tell Alto the truth about her impending death? How about something like that she loves him?
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