2007-04-05, 16:46 | Link #62 |
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What the hell does a dumbass naruto knows about anything? To use naruto words a bible or guide is like asking a blind person what's ahead of him. All evidences point towards that Shikamaru is the smartest, kiba with the best sense of smell, and Itachi owns everybody with the sharingan.
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2007-04-05, 17:12 | Link #63 | |
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but i think the fact that kakashi's after is dubed white fang. and kakashi summons dogs suggest that he too has a refined sense of smell. I think when naruto was making the comparison he was comparing kakashi to the genins before the time skip. naruto hasn't seen how much they have improved. in that case kakashi was probably better then all of the genins. now however naruto's words are debatable. espiacially seeing how new generations always surpass previous ones. and yes it has been very boring lately.
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There is no way that you can invalidate Naruto's comparison between Kakashi and Sasuke by just saying one is Uchiha the other is not. You cannot invalidate what he says about Shikamaru, as both are considered genius, and we do not have an IQ measure for Kakashi, yet. Also Kakashi, at that time, had MS and Sasuke did not have. How do you consider this as failure is beyond my comprehension. Quote:
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2007-04-05, 17:44 | Link #66 |
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Yes naruto said all that, it was accurate from what naruto knew of at that point. his sense of sasukes sharingan was based on his fight and observations of sasuke. His pereeception of shika's intellegience was based on 2.5 years ago as well.
How do these stand now? I do not know. but apparently kakashi figured out mangekyo sharingan, learned literally 1000s of jutsus can perform all elemental manipulations. And figured how to apply naruto's kage bunshin demon chakra and yamaoto's suppression ability to make a viable way for naruto to train years in days. SO to say he is as intelligeint or maybe moreso than shika, may in fact be accurate, remember there is many types of intelliegience. Kibas sense of smell maybe 1000 times normal people , but who knows what kakashi 's was, or is, his father and himself were asociated with wolves 9whitefang) and he showed teh ability to smell blood when he was a kid. It isnt impossible that his sense of smell is on par with kiba, they may even be related for all we know. Kakshi's sharingan is better than sasuke to every ones current knowledge, and in that battle he proved he couldkeep sharingan on for long periods, that battle in the manga was supposed to be a long one. and they gave the impression he had sharingan the whole time. he apparently has increased his regular sharingan stamina, although mangekyo wipes him, and takes a long time to do. But yeah his sharingan is definately better or used better than sasukes was, and the fact he has third level implies its better than sasuke's now, unless he has developed it. Anyhow it doesnt matter it was in the past. |
2007-04-05, 18:04 | Link #70 | |
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I mean Kakashi never showed anything of the complex structure of Shikamaru's moves, though being very smart, never proved that he has a good nose by himself, e.g. Zabuza-Battle (or even the dogs. But I'm not a veterinarian so who knows ). the only thing I admit is the sharingan thing. BACK THEN... Because now we don't know. Last time they faced Sasuke Kakashi was not around. |
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2007-04-05, 18:10 | Link #71 | |
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I agree that Kakashi is smart and i said that, and i agree that Kakashi knew better to use sharingan .. But he is not smarter then Shikamaru and Sasuke now know better to use sharingan then Kakashi, except that Kakashi have Mangekyou sharingan. And he is not near Kibas scent. Now can u Sazelyt and Yinstro answear me on this questions .. With Yes or No .. just that ! Do u really think that .. Kakashi is smarter then Shikamaru ? Kakashi have better smell then Kiba ? Last edited by SpiRo; 2007-04-05 at 18:50. |
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2007-04-05, 19:14 | Link #73 | |
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Weird topic to come up. I never took what Naruto said about Kakashi seriously. Naruto was engaging in what we call hero worship. Kind of like when you are young and think your dad is better at everything than anyone else. Shippuden seems to be about the younger generation passing the older one. So Kakashi can't hold off the kids anyway. The last arc likely confirmed Shikamaru as the smartest. Not only was Kakashi letting him run the show, but his shadow jutsus have gotten strong enough to help him carry out his plans. We haven't see Kiba yet, but he has likely enhanced his ablity to smell with more chakra. Lee probably trains 15 hours a day in just taijutsu. And I think we have seen enough of Sasuke now to know what the sharingan can do in the hands of a true Uchiha.
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2007-04-05, 20:38 | Link #74 | |
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2007-04-05, 21:04 | Link #76 | |
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If you can bring a specific example that will change the perception regarding one character - leading to a single direction -, you are welcome. Let me answer by asking you a question. Do you have any information from the manga that says otherwise? |
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2007-04-05, 21:07 | Link #77 | |
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I was just asking to see what you tough about it, as I myself am in-between.
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2007-04-05, 21:15 | Link #79 | |
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And did u ever saw how Kakashi plan 200 more tactics in head so he can use them if first fail, like Shikamaru can ? No Or that he can find ppl without using eyes and dogs like Kiba ? No Well for me whole manga say otherwise.. if u wanna believe in santa claus becouse your mama told u he exist then ok. I wouldnt argue with u if u just answeared with YES or NO i just wanted to see your opinion without any reference information. |
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2007-04-05, 21:20 | Link #80 | |
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Meh, Naruto was obviously making a very biased observation. He has not seen Shikamaru, Lee, Sasuke or even Kiba (We still haven't) in the 2.5 years gap.
It is obvious that Kakashi, as jounin, should still be considered the "sensei" and in a position of authority compared to the level of the Genins and the IQ of pre-timeskip Shikamaru. Now for having seen, or at least heard of how Shikamaru defeated the immortal Hidan, he might've reviewed the statement Kakashi was more intelligent than our genius chuunin. He might also have reviewed his Sharingan skill observations in comparing Sasuke and Kakashi. I mean, that Sharingan comparison is a very hard one: He sees Kakashi unleash MS and open a sort of blackhole that almosts one shot an Akatsuki, and he sees Sasuke in his mind, supressing the Kyuub's chakra. Both showed pretty impressive Sharingan skills. Quote:
-Lee didn't do anything during the rescue Gaara arc (Well, he fought against some sort of double) -Kiba we haven't even heard of his ninja missions. ----------------------------- If you are looking from our point of view, after seeing all the fights and comparing them: 1. It does seem Shikamaru surpasses Kakashi in IQ. 2. There is no clear skill gap between Kakashi and Sasuke's sharingans. 3. Kiba we know nothing of his growth. 4. It seems rather far-fetched that Kakashi can rival a 4th gate activation taijutsu. That's about it, imo.
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