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willx · 2013-05-03, 14:51

@KT -- The E-100 is still the boomstick tank. It's definitely situational but it's still used!

@Tak -- Actually, tank locking has become a huge deal.. It's something that has made the gap between top tier clans and starter clans even more divergent.

Kamijou_Touma · 2013-05-03, 14:54

we've all been thru that pt at some pt in time, in most situations its hard to get unstuck.

Tak · 2013-05-03, 15:45

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Originally Posted by willx

@Tak -- Actually, tank locking has become a huge deal.. It's something that has made the gap between top tier clans and starter clans even more divergent.

I know that. Read my post

Still doesn't change my opinion on this though. Its as if Wargaming is making an utterly terrible effort at balancing the usage of certain favorites in game.

Oh, your T-62A was destroyed in the last battle? I am sorry, I guess you have to take your M48 out for a spin now, eh?

What do you mean the M48 is not used!? Of course it is! It is everyone's favorite _insert number here_ line tank!

Ah hahaha, good one, Wargaming.

- Tak (Anyway, working on second tier 10. Third one within reach, and 4th one after some effort)

willx · 2013-05-03, 15:51

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tak

I know that. Read my post

Still doesn't change my opinion on this though. Its as if Wargaming is making an utterly terrible effort at balancing the usage of certain favorites in game.

Oh, your T-62A was destroyed in the last battle? I am sorry, I guess you have to take your M48 out for a spin now, eh?

What do you mean the M48 is not used!? Of course it is! It is everyone's favorite _insert number here_ line tank!

Ah hahaha, good one, Wargaming.

- Tak

And my point was to emphasize that it still won't make the M48 and those other tanks be used and simply hurts newbie clan wars clans..

LeoXiao · 2013-05-03, 16:03

Why won't it make them used? Only the biggest and best clans will have enough players to constantly field teams of T-62s. Others will have to make use of every t10 and t9 they have.

willx · 2013-05-03, 16:09

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Originally Posted by LeoXiao

Why won't it make them used? Only the biggest and best clans will have enough players to constantly field teams of T-62s. Others will have to make use of every t10 and t9 they have.

My perspective is that the emphasis on "more than one T10" forces people that already have one T10, albeit a non-target one, to go out and get more. If you're forced to get them, you will then get the ones that are useful, ie. T-62A, Batchat, etc.

Basically -- "Hey all you noobs with only one T10, don't even bother trying to play clan wars. You need to go get more T10s." -- coupled with "Oh, and here are the list of T10s you should go get."

It'll further encourage the usage of the same few tanks (as the top tier clans will just switch between them) and encourage those that don't already have them to be forced to go get them.

LeoXiao · 2013-05-03, 16:12

Perhaps. I guess that the fact that the best clans get free gold (to help all their players grind for extra t10s) doesn't help that fact.

Gravitas Free Zone · 2013-05-03, 16:34

We're feeding Belorussian capitalism! America!!!!!!!

Tak · 2013-05-03, 16:38

I must say, one heavy is enough, unless 8.6 made changes that would encourage me to get more heavies.

Every MBT at the end of each nation's techline would eat heavies for breakfast, save for a handful few. Its a reality I failed to grasp early on, despite being real-life history...

There was a reason why the heavy tanks went out of favor.

- Tak

Kamijou_Touma · 2013-05-03, 16:49

Wonder why Heavies phased out. I mean some MBTs will start gearing towards heavy mods like how the Abrams has reactive armor or depleted Uranium reactive armor on top of smoke screen and other anti-heat counter measures, like stealth paint that reduces heat signature. but lately we've been facing 3rd world rank countries armies, where our tech is just over kill when there using standard RPGs and IEDs.

Tak · 2013-05-03, 17:07

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Originally Posted by Kamijou_Touma

Wonder why Heavies phased out.

Because MBTs can move faster and shoot better. MBT weapons during the Cold War would make the Tiger's 88mm look like a BB gun.

- Tak

Gravitas Free Zone · 2013-05-03, 18:37

Mind, the Abrams is heavy, it just moves very fast.

Tak · 2013-05-03, 18:48

Yes, but the Abrams represent the stable that is modern MBTs and still 10 tons lighter than the KT. Thats pretty significant.

Then you have the T-90 Russian MBT at 47 tons, but still able to maintain a speed at 65 KPH. Or you have the Chinese Type 99 at 54 ~58 tons that go around cruising at 80 KPH. They are all more comparable to say, the Panther, considered to be one of the forerunners of modern MBTs.

- Tak

Sumeragi · 2013-05-03, 18:48

So for the last week, I managed to keep a 57% win rate. Hoping I can keep this up.

Kamijou_Touma · 2013-05-03, 20:08

the reason they go faster than the M1A1 Abrams is because they don't have all this tech like the US needs to lug around. I think the Abrams could go as fast as chinese tanks if they take out the governors that caps their spd, which by the way is make sure the treads don't come right off when it starts moving that fast, becuz its using jet engines instead of diesel, I had a history teacher that was a tanker, and he said Abrams tanks are turbined driven.

well US army isn't the fastest as they were back in the days, its more stealth and pre-emptive strikes via drones and stealth bombers and long range tomahawk missiles or something like that before sending the troops in. with APC support, armored support, from the Bradley and Abrams, AAV, LAVs, etc.

Mow Yun · 2013-05-03, 20:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by LeoXiao

Why won't it make them used? Only the biggest and best clans will have enough players to constantly field teams of T-62s. Others will have to make use of every t10 and t9 they have.

Actually you'd be surprised. Most of the players in the top clans EASILY have 7+ tier 10 tanks/tier 8 arty. I don't even play in clan wars anymore (haven't been involved in clan wars for like 10 months now) and I have (or could buy, because I already have it researched)

T110E5
T110E3
Foch 155
AMX-50B
E-100
M48A1
IS-4
IS-7
Bat Chat 25T
T92

Tank locking only hurts small clans that don't have players with 5+ tier 10 tanks.

Kamijou_Touma · 2013-05-03, 23:05

heheh, like ours. I'm the only one that has close to 5 tier 10s, workin on the T57 Heavy and T62A.

but look at your list, you're rich.

Mow Yun · 2013-05-04, 01:19

EDIT: Touma, I actually only have like 2/3 of that list in my garage, I don't have the credits to purchase my E-100 or IS-4 back

Myssa Rei · 2013-05-04, 05:33

Had a great afternoon's worth of platooning with both Seraphil and 12ice. 18 out of 25 games is pretty good I think, and at least five of those games were team carries on low-percentage predictions.

Edit, some aftermaths of those low-percentage carries:

Images

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Being in a high-percentage/skilled platoon doesn't quite guarantee a victory, however it does stack odds in your favor.

Images

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Oddly enough, the only reason why our platoon wasn't all purple with regards to win rate was because Seraphil shifted to his Sherman for this game instead of the Type 34.

Gravitas Free Zone · 2013-05-04, 08:19

We were having a substantially rougher time with our platoons last night, enough that when this finally happened, we backed away quietly... (12ice, if only you'd stayed...)

Images

Almost Crucial Contribution...

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...with only two tanks.

Meanwhile, this morning... the only time it feels safe to try out the Unicorn... first actual game... didn't save any screenshots because it wasn't particularly notable for exploding things, though I lived and the team won.

No, only interesting thing was this: WHY do people buy expensive premium tanks and not buy/ignore/somehow screw up in using a fire extinguisher? I hit a Lowe solidly, knocked off 600 HP, then watched it burn for almost 10 seconds until it was down to 15%. AAR showed 14 crits to it. (I hit it again a few minutes later, it hadn't been hit by anything else in the meantime, but that time it just exploded the rest of the way.)

But seriously... fire extinguishers?

2013-05-03, 14:51	Link #5881
willx Nyaaan~~ Join Date: Feb 2006 Age: 40	@KT -- The E-100 is still the boomstick tank. It's definitely situational but it's still used! @Tak -- Actually, tank locking has become a huge deal.. It's something that has made the gap between top tier clans and starter clans even more divergent. __________________ Nyaaaan~~ Last edited by willx; 2013-05-03 at 15:14.

2013-05-03, 14:54	Link #5882
Kamijou_Touma Imagine Breaker Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: In A Certain Magical Place.	we've all been thru that pt at some pt in time, in most situations its hard to get unstuck. __________________ NANO!!! DESU!!!

2013-05-03, 16:38	Link #5889
Tak Catholic = Cat addiction? Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: MURICA!!	I must say, one heavy is enough, unless 8.6 made changes that would encourage me to get more heavies. Every MBT at the end of each nation's techline would eat heavies for breakfast, save for a handful few. Its a reality I failed to grasp early on, despite being real-life history... There was a reason why the heavy tanks went out of favor. - Tak __________________ BLESSED IS OUR GOD, THE LORD OF MIRACLES, FOR HE HAS SUPPLIED AN ENTIRE BATTALION WITH JUST FIVE ROUNDS OF AMMO AND TWO GRENADES!! Remember, the toes you step on today may be connected to the @ss you have to kiss tomorrow. Last edited by Tak; 2013-05-03 at 16:49.

2013-05-03, 16:49	Link #5890
Kamijou_Touma Imagine Breaker Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: In A Certain Magical Place.	Wonder why Heavies phased out. I mean some MBTs will start gearing towards heavy mods like how the Abrams has reactive armor or depleted Uranium reactive armor on top of smoke screen and other anti-heat counter measures, like stealth paint that reduces heat signature. but lately we've been facing 3rd world rank countries armies, where our tech is just over kill when there using standard RPGs and IEDs. __________________ NANO!!! DESU!!!

2013-05-03, 18:48	Link #5893
Tak Catholic = Cat addiction? Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: MURICA!!	Yes, but the Abrams represent the stable that is modern MBTs and still 10 tons lighter than the KT. Thats pretty significant. Then you have the T-90 Russian MBT at 47 tons, but still able to maintain a speed at 65 KPH. Or you have the Chinese Type 99 at 54 ~58 tons that go around cruising at 80 KPH. They are all more comparable to say, the Panther, considered to be one of the forerunners of modern MBTs. - Tak __________________ BLESSED IS OUR GOD, THE LORD OF MIRACLES, FOR HE HAS SUPPLIED AN ENTIRE BATTALION WITH JUST FIVE ROUNDS OF AMMO AND TWO GRENADES!! Remember, the toes you step on today may be connected to the @ss you have to kiss tomorrow.

2013-05-03, 16:03	Link #5885
LeoXiao 思想工作 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Vereinigte Staaten Age: 31	Why won't it make them used? Only the biggest and best clans will have enough players to constantly field teams of T-62s. Others will have to make use of every t10 and t9 they have.

2013-05-03, 16:12	Link #5887
LeoXiao 思想工作 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Vereinigte Staaten Age: 31	Perhaps. I guess that the fact that the best clans get free gold (to help all their players grind for extra t10s) doesn't help that fact.

2013-05-03, 16:34	Link #5888
Gravitas Free Zone Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2012	We're feeding Belorussian capitalism! America!!!!!!!

2013-05-03, 18:37	Link #5892
Gravitas Free Zone Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2012	Mind, the Abrams is heavy, it just moves very fast.

2013-05-03, 18:48	Link #5894
Sumeragi Banned Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Dai Korai Teikoku	So for the last week, I managed to keep a 57% win rate. Hoping I can keep this up.

2013-05-03, 20:08	Link #5895
Kamijou_Touma Imagine Breaker Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: In A Certain Magical Place.	the reason they go faster than the M1A1 Abrams is because they don't have all this tech like the US needs to lug around. I think the Abrams could go as fast as chinese tanks if they take out the governors that caps their spd, which by the way is make sure the treads don't come right off when it starts moving that fast, becuz its using jet engines instead of diesel, I had a history teacher that was a tanker, and he said Abrams tanks are turbined driven. well US army isn't the fastest as they were back in the days, its more stealth and pre-emptive strikes via drones and stealth bombers and long range tomahawk missiles or something like that before sending the troops in. with APC support, armored support, from the Bradley and Abrams, AAV, LAVs, etc. __________________ NANO!!! DESU!!!

2013-05-03, 23:05	Link #5897
Kamijou_Touma Imagine Breaker Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: In A Certain Magical Place.	heheh, like ours. I'm the only one that has close to 5 tier 10s, workin on the T57 Heavy and T62A. but look at your list, you're rich. __________________ NANO!!! DESU!!!

2013-05-04, 01:19	Link #5898
Mow Yun Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Age: 34	EDIT: Touma, I actually only have like 2/3 of that list in my garage, I don't have the credits to purchase my E-100 or IS-4 back Last edited by Mow Yun; 2013-05-04 at 02:57.

2013-05-04, 05:33	Link #5899
Myssa Rei Moderate Haruhiist Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Metro Manila, Philippines Age: 42	Had a great afternoon's worth of platooning with both Seraphil and 12ice. 18 out of 25 games is pretty good I think, and at least five of those games were team carries on low-percentage predictions. Edit, some aftermaths of those low-percentage carries: Images Sorry; dynamic content not loaded. Reload? Being in a high-percentage/skilled platoon doesn't quite guarantee a victory, however it does stack odds in your favor. Images Sorry; dynamic content not loaded. Reload? Oddly enough, the only reason why our platoon wasn't all purple with regards to win rate was because Seraphil shifted to his Sherman for this game instead of the Type 34. __________________ Last edited by Myssa Rei; 2013-05-04 at 07:29.

2013-05-04, 08:19	Link #5900
Gravitas Free Zone Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2012	We were having a substantially rougher time with our platoons last night, enough that when this finally happened, we backed away quietly... (12ice, if only you'd stayed...) Images Almost Crucial Contribution... Sorry; dynamic content not loaded. Reload? ...with only two tanks. Meanwhile, this morning... the only time it feels safe to try out the Unicorn... first actual game... didn't save any screenshots because it wasn't particularly notable for exploding things, though I lived and the team won. No, only interesting thing was this: WHY do people buy expensive premium tanks and not buy/ignore/somehow screw up in using a fire extinguisher? I hit a Lowe solidly, knocked off 600 HP, then watched it burn for almost 10 seconds until it was down to 15%. AAR showed 14 crits to it. (I hit it again a few minutes later, it hadn't been hit by anything else in the meantime, but that time it just exploded the rest of the way.) But seriously... fire extinguishers?