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Gangsta Spanksta · 2009-12-30, 11:54

Characters that are hard to read:

Teresa: never used more than 10%, so nobody knew her real strength.
Riful: Good at hiding her true power.
Rafaela: Pretended to be a #5
Priscilla: has the natural ability to hide her yoki.
Clare: Appears to have a small yoki, but she obviously gets more power than most can see.

I think many of you are quick to discount the one character that is even harder to read than Priscilla in the story. Last big fight she was in, she had already surpassed a #2 awakened being. Then there has been 7 years of trainning with unknown results. She has gained the knowledge and experience of Rafaela. And lets not forget that at one point of time she was completely merged with Raciella, and her body reformed out of Raciella, veins connecting both her and Raciella, as she reemerged as a single entity. What effect has this had on Clare? Is she still a Claymore, a half awakened, or something else?

With all this unknown potential Clare has now, why should her awakened form be weak?

Gangsta Spanksta · 2009-12-30, 12:03

Okay, let me put it like this: Could Ghost Clare stand a chance against Claymore Priscilla? Would Claymore Priscilla pale in comparison to Super Abyssal Priscilla? If Priscilla is who she is now because all her potental awakened, then who would Clare be if all her hidden potential awakened? When Clare goes berserk the equation changes.

shogun01 · 2009-12-30, 12:23

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Me too. The anime really wasn't too bad until it diverged. It followed it faithfully and I liked it a lot. The divergence wasn't too bad, it just can't measure up to the original material is all.

Unfortunately, I kept my expectation a little to high when watching the anime. I still enjoyed it, but I would probably have enjoyed it much more, if I kept my expectations a bit lower.

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I find Claymore threads to be the most active ones in the forum, its amazing.

Yeah, it seems that the Claymore fans are more vocal, than the Naruto fans.

Shiek927 · 2009-12-30, 12:23

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Okay, let me put it like this: Could Ghost Clare stand a chance against Claymore Priscilla? Would Claymore Priscilla pale in comparison to Super Abyssal Priscilla? If Priscilla is who she is now because all her potental awakened, then who would Clare be if all her hidden potential awakened? When Clare goes berserk the equation changes.

Here's the thing though Gangsta, Priscilla is unique because of her exponential growth. That sort of puts her, in terms of awakening, in a class of her own.

Would Ghost Claire have a chance against Claymore Priscilla....Claire would probably win by a small margin; Priscilla's inexperience would be the biggest factor in her defeat.

Would Claymore Priscilla pale in comparison to her awakened form?..........Well derr.

Claire, if she awoke, I would say would put up a good fight against Priscilla. Would she win? I don't know, but I'm leaning toward No. Still, the effects she went under when she was merged with Raciella, may have had a larger effect on her then we know like you say.

The problem that lies ahead for Yagi is, if she DOES put up a good fight and/or wins or whatever, is finding a way to make it sensible and logically understandable, without making it seem cliched that the protagonist is suddenly super-powerful and powered-up.

Creangeru · 2009-12-30, 12:24

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Originally Posted by Gangsta Spanksta

Okay, let me put it like this: Could Ghost Clare stand a chance against Claymore Priscilla? Would Claymore Priscilla pale in comparison to Super Abyssal Priscilla? If Priscilla is who she is now because all her potental awakened, then who would Clare be if all her hidden potential awakened? When Clare goes berserk the equation changes.

I'd say Ghost Clare could stand a chance against Claymore Priscilla, but Claymore Priscilla wouldn't even know what killed her, if she were to go against Super Abyssal Priscilla.
The only problem would be, that Claymore Priscilla would awaken regardless as she is fighting an opponent equal or stronger than her. So your first question will quickly evolve to question no. 2.

elyK · 2009-12-30, 12:27

I will take a stab at it:

I believe that is also part of the problem; Clare going berserk. Even if she does go berserk and kills Priscilla, who is going to bring her back? From her past berserk-filled antics, Jean died to bring Clare back. Though Clare could still talk to everyone, she couldn't control her appendages and was losing control all together. That was just with Rigardo. With Priscilla she can't leave anything on the table. Of course we would have to see how she acts when fully awakened; I would have to take a guess and say she wouldn't be the nicest individual. All that might have been accomplished was replacing one super strong person (Priscilla) with another (Clare). That would be an interesting turn of events if Yagi decided to go that route.

Gangsta Spanksta · 2009-12-30, 12:27

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Originally Posted by Shiek927

Here's the thing though Gangsta, Priscilla is unique because of her exponential growth. That sort of puts her, in terms of awakening, in a class of her own.

okay now point me where it says exponential growth during awakening is something unique to Priscilla as a manga fact and not mere fanon.

DragoZERO · 2009-12-30, 12:32

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Yagi wants the 100th chapter to be epic! and I am heartily waiting!!
I hope it wont be a flash back tho unless Teresa is involved...

Was anything special done for the 50th chapter? Or is 100 the first milestone manga's have?

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Unfortunately, I kept my expectation a little to high when watching the anime. I still enjoyed it, but I would probably have enjoyed it much more, if I kept my expectations a bit lower.

I watched the anime first so I had no idea what to expect other than chick with swords killing monsters.

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Yeah, it seems that the Claymore fans are more vocal, than the Naruto fans.

Can't even compare the two.

Gangsta Spanksta · 2009-12-30, 12:33

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Originally Posted by elyK

I will take a stab at it:

I believe that is also part of the problem; Clare going berserk. Even if she does go berserk and kills Priscilla, who is going to bring her back? From her past berserk-filled antics, Jean died to bring Clare back. Though Clare could still talk to everyone, she couldn't control her appendages and was losing control all together. That was just with Rigardo. With Priscilla she can't leave anything on the table. Of course we would have to see how she acts when fully awakened; I would have to take a guess and say she wouldn't be the nicest individual. All that might have been accomplished was replacing one super strong person (Priscilla) with another (Clare). That would be an interesting turn of events if Yagi decided to go that route.

There is a reason Chiba pointed out that Clare has gained Soul Link from Rafaela.

Shiek927 · 2009-12-30, 12:38

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Originally Posted by Gangsta Spanksta

okay now point me where it says exponential growth during awakening is something unique to Priscilla as a manga fact and not mere fanon.

*points to Databooks with one finger

*points to chapter 25, page 16 with another.

I know what you're trying to say by, all their potential being released with they awaken, but it's different.

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(.........haven't we already had this discussion?

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elyK · 2009-12-30, 12:44

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Originally Posted by Gangsta Spanksta

There is a reason Chiba pointed out that Clare has gained Soul Link from Rafaela.

Sure. I guess I would have to look back (I didn't see that being said), but how can she be linked with Rafaela when she is gone? The destroyer is something new right? Clare has everything that Rafaela possessed, unless Rafaela didn't give her everything. Does this also go along with the mistake Clare was making?

Gangsta Spanksta · 2009-12-30, 12:47

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Originally Posted by Shiek927

*points to Databooks with one finger

*points to chapter 25, page 16 with another.

I know what you're trying to say by, all their potential being released with they awaken, but it's different.

Well I did say Manga fact, not databook fact.

but couldn't you at least quote the book instead of just say databook.

As for Chapter 25, page 16, I don't see anything that says something is unique to Priscilla there.

Shiek927 · 2009-12-30, 12:51

While we can all hold the databooks as questionable because they are written from the Organization's ignorant point-of-view, I can't believe Yagi would go to the effort of creating them if they were all false, don't ya think? We shouldn't view them with complete dismissal.

.....Just forget it, I can already see where this discussion is going.

elyK · 2009-12-30, 12:59

It seems I misread a bit of info in my post above about the soul link, but I still am curious about who she is going to link with?

Gangsta Spanksta · 2009-12-30, 13:02

Geez shieky

You've could've just quoted the Databook, you know.

Gangsta Spanksta · 2009-12-30, 13:05

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Originally Posted by elyK

It seems I misread a bit of info in my post above about the soul link, but I still am curious about who she is going to link with?

Don't think linearly. Where did Partial Awakening come from? Jean's Will Power + Irene's Quick Sword, awakning just one arm ==> Clare's Partial Awakening Technique. Who says that a new concept can't be founded on the Soul Link?

Shiek927 · 2009-12-30, 13:24

You asked though exactly what Claire is now: I still view her as a half-awakened. We've never gotten any indication from her that her body has changed physically into something else, even though the possibility is there.

Until their's something concrete, I see her as the same as before.

SagaraSouske · 2009-12-30, 13:29

It is certainly possible to have an exponential power up for Clare. It would just make the story stupid that is all.

Shiek927 · 2009-12-30, 13:45

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Originally Posted by SagaraSouske

It is certainly possible to have an exponential power up for Clare. It would just make the story stupid that is all.

Heh, like I said, that's the problem Yagi faces; giving Claire more power and not making it come off as a cliche.

Tevourious · 2009-12-30, 13:46

Holy crap...........

I think Priss has regained her "I think I'm a Claymore" pesona albiet twisted. I think she's cross wired in her thoughs. It's obvious, awakening is mentally disorienting. Even more so if yer unstable to begin with. Priss, Ophelia, I'm looking at you. But all this is known allready. My point is. Priss is in "quasi claymore thinking" Must kill damn dirty Yoma!!! But is also MUST FEED.... "Must Eat Flesh Kill dirty Yoma!" Therefore. "Must eat damn dirty Yoma cause eating people is what Yoma do! And I'm a Claymore. I forgot that once.... Raki was nice to me and I got better! But then I just enjoyed his company and forgot what I was doing. But then I got even more better and remember I'm Claymore so I have to Kill Yoma...NOMNOMNOMNOM"

More or less her thinking. There is also "True Awakened mental state of Priss" I think thats pulling her were she needs to go. This is the one gauging power and making dark comments and craving power, thats her cruel streak." I have no doubt she'd eat Isley right now if he was still alive, now that she's in Looney mode again.

2009-12-30, 11:54	Link #381
Gangsta Spanksta Fanfic Writer Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Tejas	Characters that are hard to read: Teresa: never used more than 10%, so nobody knew her real strength. Riful: Good at hiding her true power. Rafaela: Pretended to be a #5 Priscilla: has the natural ability to hide her yoki. Clare: Appears to have a small yoki, but she obviously gets more power than most can see. I think many of you are quick to discount the one character that is even harder to read than Priscilla in the story. Last big fight she was in, she had already surpassed a #2 awakened being. Then there has been 7 years of trainning with unknown results. She has gained the knowledge and experience of Rafaela. And lets not forget that at one point of time she was completely merged with Raciella, and her body reformed out of Raciella, veins connecting both her and Raciella, as she reemerged as a single entity. What effect has this had on Clare? Is she still a Claymore, a half awakened, or something else? With all this unknown potential Clare has now, why should her awakened form be weak? __________________

2009-12-30, 12:03	Link #382
Gangsta Spanksta Fanfic Writer Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Tejas	Okay, let me put it like this: Could Ghost Clare stand a chance against Claymore Priscilla? Would Claymore Priscilla pale in comparison to Super Abyssal Priscilla? If Priscilla is who she is now because all her potental awakened, then who would Clare be if all her hidden potential awakened? When Clare goes berserk the equation changes. __________________

2009-12-30, 13:02	Link #395
Gangsta Spanksta Fanfic Writer Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Tejas	Geez shieky You've could've just quoted the Databook, you know. __________________

2009-12-30, 13:29	Link #398
SagaraSouske Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007	It is certainly possible to have an exponential power up for Clare. It would just make the story stupid that is all. __________________

2009-12-30, 12:27	Link #386
elyK Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2009	I will take a stab at it: I believe that is also part of the problem; Clare going berserk. Even if she does go berserk and kills Priscilla, who is going to bring her back? From her past berserk-filled antics, Jean died to bring Clare back. Though Clare could still talk to everyone, she couldn't control her appendages and was losing control all together. That was just with Rigardo. With Priscilla she can't leave anything on the table. Of course we would have to see how she acts when fully awakened; I would have to take a guess and say she wouldn't be the nicest individual. All that might have been accomplished was replacing one super strong person (Priscilla) with another (Clare). That would be an interesting turn of events if Yagi decided to go that route.

2009-12-30, 12:51	Link #393
Shiek927 Thread Hijacker Join Date: May 2009 Location: In a hole, I just need to dig myself out	While we can all hold the databooks as questionable because they are written from the Organization's ignorant point-of-view, I can't believe Yagi would go to the effort of creating them if they were all false, don't ya think? We shouldn't view them with complete dismissal. .....Just forget it, I can already see where this discussion is going.

2009-12-30, 12:59	Link #394
elyK Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2009	It seems I misread a bit of info in my post above about the soul link, but I still am curious about who she is going to link with?

2009-12-30, 13:24	Link #397
Shiek927 Thread Hijacker Join Date: May 2009 Location: In a hole, I just need to dig myself out	You asked though exactly what Claire is now: I still view her as a half-awakened. We've never gotten any indication from her that her body has changed physically into something else, even though the possibility is there. Until their's something concrete, I see her as the same as before.

2009-12-30, 13:46	Link #400
Tevourious Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007	Holy crap........... I think Priss has regained her "I think I'm a Claymore" pesona albiet twisted. I think she's cross wired in her thoughs. It's obvious, awakening is mentally disorienting. Even more so if yer unstable to begin with. Priss, Ophelia, I'm looking at you. But all this is known allready. My point is. Priss is in "quasi claymore thinking" Must kill damn dirty Yoma!!! But is also MUST FEED.... "Must Eat Flesh Kill dirty Yoma!" Therefore. "Must eat damn dirty Yoma cause eating people is what Yoma do! And I'm a Claymore. I forgot that once.... Raki was nice to me and I got better! But then I just enjoyed his company and forgot what I was doing. But then I got even more better and remember I'm Claymore so I have to Kill Yoma...NOMNOMNOMNOM" More or less her thinking. There is also "True Awakened mental state of Priss" I think thats pulling her were she needs to go. This is the one gauging power and making dark comments and craving power, thats her cruel streak." I have no doubt she'd eat Isley right now if he was still alive, now that she's in Looney mode again.