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View Poll Results: Mobile Suit Gundam 00 - Episode 25 Rating | |||
Perfect 10 | 242 | 59.46% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 109 | 26.78% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 28 | 6.88% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 13 | 3.19% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 7 | 1.72% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 3 | 0.74% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 2 | 0.49% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 1 | 0.25% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 0 | 0% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 2 | 0.49% | |
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2008-04-03, 02:31 | Link #961 |
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seems like graham can get away with anything. I consider myself very mature but when graham confesses his "love" to setsuna like that I can't really help but be shocked and have a smirk on my face. The first thought that came to my mind was "gay" then followed by a "lol." Of course everyone seems willing to defend him because he's graham afterall, he flied the cool overflag and beat johann with an inferior MS.
I have a feeling that graham is going to stoop lower and lower in S2 until the point where most of you will not be vouching for his character anymore. Perhaps it will be him getting owned very badly next time around or maybe him being more open with his homosexuality. The evidence is really piling up btw. The fact he brought up horoscopes in his first battle of setsuna was a dead give-away anyways....I don't understand what you people need to see to confirm that graham is gay (and a pedophile since setsuna is underage???) not that there is anything wrong with that! |
2008-04-03, 04:25 | Link #963 | |
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Join Date: Aug 2007
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He admires the gundam as they are the most potent weapon of this age, he also hates them as they killed dear friends, as for his relation with Setsuna yes they are linked by fate/plot, he witness his first sortie, he was the first that forced Exia to "retreat", he even got to meet him even if he did knew it at the moment. |
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2008-04-03, 04:30 | Link #964 | |
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Granted, their bodies are still intact, but : - Allelujah was not wearing an helmet anymore and he got shrapnels/explosion in the eyes, which probably means there is an air leak somewhere... considering the confinement of a cockpit, he is not going to last long in this state unless the remaining CB Container picks him up as soon as possible and before the two others. - I'm going to accept to buy it for Setsuna as him being just knocked out is credible : he had one hell of a fight against a crazy MA and equally powerful Golden GM. To put even more strain on his body, he used Trans-Am and immediatly after had to fight a GN Flag which is probably even more powerful than a GN-X, piloted by either the best or second best pilot of the whole series. Even without he final stabbing and ensuing damage, I would understand him passing out. His helmet and body seem in good shape, altough he has spit a lot of blood. - Same goes for Tieria but while Nadleeh is the most crippled unit of them all, he is the Meister in he best physical condition by the looks of it. I would be more tolerant with them acting as if they would die if we hadn't brought Patrick, Ali (Zwei's cockpit *did* blew up) and Graham back to life. The writers just have to be reasonable with this kind of stuff or it gets tiring and hurts the credibility of the show... |
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2008-04-03, 05:30 | Link #965 | ||||||
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While efficient, the recipe needs something new : there is no point in telling the same story over and over again and using the same old recipes there and there. I don't see a masked man needed to make a Gundam series : the theme of Gundams have been to depict the horrors of war on a large scale and how it affects the characters and the rest of the World. Gundam can still be Gundam without using the same tricks over and over again... UC series started all of this actually with the "I'm in love (or at least very strong bonds/feelings) with an enemy pilot" with Amuro and Lalah, Camille and Four, Glemy and Roux (somewhat), Hathaway and Quess, Shiro and Aina, Seabook and Cecily (somewhat) and Uso and Katejina. I don't see how it helped at all to have the same situation over and over again with the more or less same exact development. Then, Destiny reused this with Shinn and Stellar to do more or less the exact thing than in Zeta... what was the point ? I'm happy to see Haro in every series as he is a symbol/mascott (note that before he was the symbol of UC or rather Tomino Gundam and not Gundam as a whole : SEED just created the opening which 00 followed) and has no impact, if any, on the plot or story. Quote:
It doesn't mean that 00 is not allowed to have space colonies and ultimately create an universe similar to UC but if it is to be served the same Gundam soup recipe as usual : a bit of masked man, a bit of colonies, a bit of independance group, a bit of extra-sensitive powers, a bit of enemy girlfriend, mix, heat up and serve hot... well... The recipe sure has proven itself successful, but if you eat your favorite dish everyday, you're going to end up bored of it. After 30 years, Gundam needs to explore new horizons, not do the same thing over and over again. Gundam 00 has been original enough for me so far so I don't see which needs it has for masked man : we know it is Gundam, it is written on it ! We don't need that to figure out. Quote:
He still talks about their overwhelming abilities but the GN Flag has proven itself an suit almost on par with Exia, so he has these overwhelming abilities on his hands now, so why to keep it up. I was disappointed because Graham still being obsessed with Gundam prevent his character to evolve to the next level : for most of the series, he had been obsessed with Gundams, so what was the point to keep it going on especially in the finale ? Sergei was saying much more reasonable things when he got the Gundam's technology in the shape of a GN-X : "The Gundams are nothing to be afraid of anymore now". Quote:
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Considering Graham did so well in the OverFlag agains the Thrones, and being as confident in his skills as he is, it didn't seem too much out-of-character at this point for him to decide to keep fighting in an OverFlag. Of course, I have not missed that the Flag is merely a symbol, but there is little point if the symbol is just a metallic shell and actually a completely different machine. Also, Graham is a soldier : when he was given the GN-X, and as much as I liked his reaction at the time character-wise, he actually acted, plot-wise, like a spoiled ace pilot or like a Diva. In the military, I believe you don't get much choice which unit you are piloting and the higher-ups decide where you are the most useful. Graham's decision to still pilot a Flag only gave work and wasted precious Union resources (with Eifman gone, Billy is probably one of the most important Union military scientists) and his battle experience and squadron-commander skills may have been more useful right at the start of operation "Fallen Angels" than at its end when he is all alone then. I think the GN Flag is an amazing design and I'm glad it existed, but as nutype said, Graham seems to get away with anything : ace pilot or not, I don't see any valid reason for the Union higher-ups to have granted his demand to not pilot a GN-X, effectively ruling him out of the most important military operation they ever launched. |
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2008-04-03, 09:43 | Link #966 | |
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2008-04-03, 09:48 | Link #967 | |
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I've been thinking on this as well, and was wondering if his unit with him being the leader actually gave him one (or at least half) of a free rein in a certain sense. Unfortunately they never really elaborated on that because of the time spent on CB and the fights in space. If only they had a little bit more time... |
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2008-04-03, 10:08 | Link #968 | |
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As for money for rebuilding the Flag, I do believe that wouldn't be an issue. Whatever money spent was likely from a preexisting fund, most likely siphoned from Billy's research grants. Billy could easily have written off the cost as part of his R&D on GN drives, as technically it was entirely relevant. From my perspective, Graham was probably not even sent out into battle; on paper he might have merely been performing "weapon testing" for Billy, with the real intention of fighting Gundams. Graham has become a lose cannon, which is a pity. Then again, didn't Char went completely insane overtime as well? We really need more psychiatrists on duty in Gundam armies.
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2008-04-03, 10:20 | Link #969 |
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Hmm... when I think about it... maybe someone of the high-rank Union commanders really allow this modification? I mean, probably not all commanders fully trusted "gift suits" aka GN-X and someone of them (after Graham's report) allowed modification of existed, tested and battle-proved suit, as it may be useful in future, when Union will begin building their own GN-powered battle suits.
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2008-04-03, 10:50 | Link #970 | |
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Anyway, to come back to Graham, you're right and the next step was to refit their existing designs with GN Drives (or create their own new ones), but at this point, it was not the priority for them : the priority was eliminating the Gundams and it is why Graham getting his own GN Flag just because he asked for it is difficult to buy because at that time they wanted to have as many mobile suits standing a chance against Gundams in the battle field. That said, you're right to say there was trust problem since if these units were designed and manufactured by Alejandro, they probably had some time-bomb or remote disabling mechanism to turn them off when they would have become troublesome. : There ain't no such thing as a free lunch, after all... Unless it was built-in the GN Drive itself, the GN-X would be disabled while the GN Flag would still continue functionning... but I don't think we are going to see that now anyway... |
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2008-04-03, 10:58 | Link #971 | |
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Current information suggests that he did gave GN-tau tech to world leaders, with apparently no drawbacks. The excuse here, is that he has already infiltrated the world's political system and only needed CB out of the way before he can take over. The GN-tau gifts did two things; weaken CB, and made people ask less questions when Corner turned up with his golden MA to "save the day". If Corner could become a major leader of the world without fighting anyone, there isn't any reason to sabotage the GN-X. [Deleted spoiler - 4Tran]
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2008-04-03, 11:07 | Link #972 |
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my thousand apologies......
i'll apologize about my lack of english because This show will never be forget even Ali is still alive but still he has now held captived. Can you guys just say to me 'You can rest easy, the show will continue this fall.'. MISSION FAILED i mean Lockons is dead, Setsuna has finally gone in space even allehujah & tieria and then i'm sorry what i just say 'Burn in hell' last time because i just hate that Alejandro Corner character before because he's EEEVIILLLL!!
I'm not complaining, okay? i just try to explain how am i feel i'm gonna cry after i watched that episode. how do guys felt after the final episode ends? PS: i'm not good at the gundam mechas but i prefer to focus on character instead like setsuna F seiei or Allehujah. that makes me 'Blush'. *switch to yaoi fangirl mode* yeah, excuse me of my stupidity, guys...... What was that again? Oh well. Last edited by Jeffry2009; 2008-04-03 at 11:44. |
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- Hallelujah saying that he's "going first" also implies that Allelujah won't die yet. - Tieria ejecting his GN drive implies that he's expecting rescue sometime soon. If he weren't, he would have tried to destory it instead. - Setsuna's letter is a deliberate piece of misdirection (and not exactly playing fair with the audience), but the idea behind it was for two reasons that have nothing to do with him dying. The first is to involve Marina again after she had been effectively written out of the story for the last dozen episodes. The second is to use the letter as a way to show Setsuna's point of view and change over the course of the show - this is something that the creators have tried doing in various scenes, but haven't been particularly effective at accomplishing, so it earns points for trying. As far as credibility goes, there are plenty of areas that could use improvement, but this particular bit (at least in regard to the Meisters) isn't really one of them. You do have a point of all the questions (justified or not) of "is he/she dead or not?" It's okay to see it once in a while, but when it's applied all over the place with Kinue, Aeolia, Patrick and Ali Quote:
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jafri, you can relax; the remaining Meisters probably all survived, and we'll see more of them this fall. [Is it possible to cut down the talk about the weaknesses of the GN Tau drives until they are discussed in the anime?]
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2008-04-03, 11:18 | Link #974 | |
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2008-04-03, 11:37 | Link #975 | |
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The only reason Graham had been ordered to fight them at all was to perform Government-sanctioned highway robbery. Security had nothing to do with it.
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2008-04-03, 11:45 | Link #976 | |
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2008-04-03, 11:45 | Link #977 | |
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2008-04-03, 11:51 | Link #978 | |
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We know that. We're just making fun of him because of his poor choice of words. Even Setsuna was surprised. Setsuna is a popular guy, now that he has both a female love interest, and a male love interest!
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2008-04-03, 11:52 | Link #979 | |
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Funny you mention not respecting sovereignty or international law. President Brian doesn't seem to consider that at all unusual, or even that bad. His own words was that "CB is doing our job for us". As for damaging the economy, do you mean the Poppy Fields or the Blood Diamonds?
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