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+ The fact he called her Immortal witch and say shut up (or something in this line) to her many times. For me, imo "most of time", he didn't see her as anything than a partner, a thing... Quote:
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I don't see it as a foreshadow.
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2008-07-21, 07:50 | Link #1444 | |
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I think this is an opportunity to show how Lelouch isn't a bad person. A chance for him to show how much he cherishes life. Now that C.C. isn't immortal, she's fragile, and I honestly believe that Lelouch is going to put it upon himself to protect her. Just as Lelouch was C.C.'s savior in this episode, C.C. will become Lelouch's redemption or savior in episodes to come. I think they'll help each other and they both need to be alive for that. As an afterthought...did anyone else get a feeling that C.C. may've known what she was doing when she let Charles embrace her? It could've been a case that she was purposely letting Charles do whatever it was he was doing (Removing her Code, yes?) and then pushed away at the right moment, effectively removing her immortality and what-not. Maybe she didn't want to die right then, but she wanted the possibility of death. After all, the whole conversation about life without death is just an experience and that you need the knowledge of death for life to matter. Just an idea I was tossin' around in me wee little head. |
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2008-07-21, 08:07 | Link #1447 | ||
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I'm saying she doesn't have to die, and you're saying she doesn't have to live. I think both are completely valid statements at this point. Quote:
And I agree that it will come at a high price, but what? I have a feeling you would say that C.C.'s death will be that price. While I've no way of saying you're wrong to think that, I can certainly hope you're wrong. In truth, I don't know what it's going to cost either of them at the end 'cause there's much more at work here than just the two of them. I will go on record as saying I hope for a happy ending for C.C., whatever that may be. |
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What is a person's "Code"? I didn't understand that Immortality? Memories? Life?
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2008-07-21, 08:20 | Link #1450 |
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Hey everyone!
Finally saw episode 15 today! So here's what I think of C.C. after reading a few opinions on the forums here. First off, C.C. said that her true wish was to die but her reason for wanting to die was influenced by her innability to find true love (because of the geass) which could have corrupted her social standing, thus leading to her many struggles. When Lelouch told C.C. that he would make her smile until the last moment of her life, C.C. decided to live, for Lelouch. This shows that C.C. doesn't want to die, but be freed of her past, and to find a life worth living. Now that C.C. has lost her memories, I think it will be possible for a MAJOR character development, potentially leading to C.C. becoming what she was before she lost her memories. Either that, or she will end up as happier person and maybe fall in love with Lelouch. If you consider the fact that, since she is now in an era that she is unfamiliar with, has none of her troubling memories, and finally has Lelouch, who is devoted to making her happy, the possibility that she will advance into a very well developed character shows amazing potential. I understand why people may not like the new C.C. but I certainly think this opportunity for a character development, as well as a change in the story will be a very interesting process. The theme of the anime was somewhat set at "living on your own until you die. Being lonely and hateful." This is obvious in C.C.'s case considering her traumatic past. Spoiler for Code Geass:
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What defines a happy ending, though? She could die and still have a happy ending. I think she already had her happy ending, she realized that someone cared for her. |
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2008-07-21, 09:07 | Link #1452 |
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ok there is a discussion about cc's wish on another forum
and some people though what happened in the first season contradicts both of her wishes if her wish was to be loved it should have been granted with Mao's love if her wish was to die Mao couldn't kill her cause he loved her and she left later when Mao appeared he was ready to cut cc into pieces and grant her death wish but instead giving him imortality she killed him i could understand that if the reason she didn't give her code to mao was because he went crazy but i know that the contract with lelouch can't stop her from giving her code to another because she could give it to charles so what is cc's true wish |
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2008-07-21, 09:15 | Link #1454 | ||
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So then, she can die and still have a happy ending? |
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What if C.C.'s theme is life? Clearly, she's been unable to die throughout the show, regardless of her feelings on the subject. What if now that she can die, she still doesn't. I think this theme can be looked at from your perspective and mine. You could look at the theme of life and say, "Life must be concluded with death, thus making one living." Or I could look at it and say, "Life is about living with the knowledge that the end will eventually come." Both of these views require mortality, obviously, but one implies that C.C.'s theme of life will end within the confines of the show while the other suggests that it will outlive the show. Hm, I think it all depends on how they want it to end. C.C. could stand as a symbol for hope at the very end, or she could show that all life ends and that's part of living. Quote:
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But I think this is a huge difference in how we perceive C.C. I've always considered C.C. to be on equal footing to Lelouch, not so much a mother figure. I've seen her as his partner and no, I do not mean that with any sort of romantic connotation. But seriously, I've looked at her as his partner in the sense that when things go tough, she was there to support him, but at the same time, he supported her. Granted, it did feel rather one-sided where C.C. was supporting Lelouch more so than he was supporting her, but that's why this new development is so key. It's giving Lelouch a chance to return the favor. And I agree that lovers is unlikely with C.C.'s current state. You're right to say that she seems to have a child mentality now and that would make for a poor lover relationship. However, I think it's fair to say that while Lelouch may not be able to see her in a love relationship, children often develop crushes on those who protect them when they're not family related. Yes, a guardian-type relationship could develop, but they're not family and I don't think Lelouch would ever pretend that they are. Would you say it's possible for C.C. to develop a type of crush on Lelouch? I think that if it is a case where C.C. forms some sort of feelings for Lelouch, I wonder what kind of impact that will have if C.C. regains her memories. I'm assuming, of course, that if she gets her memories back, she also retains the new memories she builds with Lelouch. Either way, I agree that there won't be a love relationship between the two of them with C.C. in the state she's in. At least, I don't think there'll be a mutual relationship. I still think it's possible for C.C. to develop feelings, while in her child mindset. Quote:
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So, either she lives with hope or she dies with completion. I think those are two fair endings for the character, don't you? As a completely off topic mention... When you mentioned how you wanted a family ending, I couldn't help but think of them making a spin-off show where Lelouch and his harem was living in somewhere together and you get one of those romantic comedies where all the girls are vying for the main character's affection and stuff. Just the idea made me laugh. Those shows all have their obligatory hot spring scenes...oh man, so funny. But not funny in a "they should totally do this" way, funny is a "the person who suggests it should be shot" kind of way. |
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2008-07-21, 09:25 | Link #1457 |
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Everything costs something and nothing is free. That's kind of how the world works. I'm not saying you're completely wrong with what you're thinking, but I think it's naive to say that you can gain anything without losing SOMETHING. That's not to say the thing you need to give up actually matters, but like they say, nothing is free.
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And some people can give you presents, and that doesn't mean you lost something for that. You can also help people without gaining anything in return. |
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2008-07-21, 09:34 | Link #1460 | |
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And those presents still cost the other person something, they weren't free. Also, if you look at it from your perspective, receiving the present puts you under some obligation to either give them a thank you card or, when the time comes, get them a present, or, at the very, very least, requires you to tell them thank you. If you choose not to do the above, you could very well cost yourself a friend that was kind enough to give you a present or you may never get yourself a present again. You see? Everything costs something, it all depends on how much importance you put on that thing. In the case of the present, simply saying the words, "Thank you" may seem like nothing, but it's still costing you something. |
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