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View Poll Results: Chuunibyou Demo Koi ga Shitai! - Episode 10 Rating | |||
Perfect 10 | 40 | 40.00% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 38 | 38.00% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 15 | 15.00% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 7 | 7.00% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 0 | 0% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 0 | 0% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 0 | 0% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 0 | 0% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 0 | 0% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 0 | 0% | |
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2012-12-09, 06:11 | Link #101 | |||
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I don't know how implying that somebody's approach is irresponsible can be anything but a chastisement. Well, perhaps "chastisement" is a bit too strong of a term, but it's a correction at least. And my position is that Touka really doesn't have much leg to stand on here. Anyway, it's not that big of a deal. My reaction to it is "eyebrow-raising", nothing that I think is beyond the pale. Quote:
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Whatever Yuuta stated to Rikka in that instance is very important, plot-wise, so I'd like to know what the exact words are. To me, it's like doing an important fight scene off-camera.
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2012-12-09, 06:50 | Link #102 |
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It may be a fundamental part of the plot, but it would probably be an extended version of "Take off the eyepatch" with Rikka making no-answers. That's why they could skip it, which I think was a good decision for the tone of the episode.
If they wanted the couple's fight to entail some other relevant point besides what can be summarized with what Yuuta said, they wouldn't skip it like that. |
2012-12-09, 07:16 | Link #103 | |
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Now he's saying something to her that shows (at the very least) that there's a practical limit to how much he'll accept her chuunibyou. So Yuuta is taking a stand that I would think could threaten the bond he's build up with Rikka. If Yuuta's words have the desired effect, and result in no serious backlash, then I'd like to know how he managed to put this in a way that didn't seriously hurt his bond with Rikka. On the flip side, if Yuuta's words do result in a backlash, then I'd like to know the specific words that have offended Rikka. This anime has set up a compelling conflict around the question of "How do you get through to Rikka without severely hurting her/traumatizing her?" We can see that Touka's hard-line "get with reality, Rikka!" approach wasn't working. We can see that Yuuta's "I love and accept you for who you are, Rikka" was working, but it perhaps wasn't shifting her quickly enough out of being a hardcore chuunibyou. So I'd like to know what specific words struck the right balance.
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2012-12-09, 08:44 | Link #104 |
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Amazing, this episode manage to be both daww and heart-wrenching. The first half of the episode, with Yuuta and Rikka pondering their feeling for each other and finally confess, is full of heart-blowing cuteness. The second half, however, bring the seriousness in again with Rikka's mother returning and Touka trying to convince Yuuta to shake
Rikka back into reality. Rikka took off her eyepatch and contact lens, what will she do next? Last edited by ninryu; 2012-12-09 at 09:00. |
2012-12-09, 16:52 | Link #105 | |
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On another note, let's take a poll: hands up for anyone in real life who was either 1) the young teenage daughter of a mother who abandoned her, but who came back years later acting like nothing had happened or, 2) the parent of one or more young teenage daughters of a mother who did same? How about you, Klashikari? Is your hand up? Anyone else? Mine is (2 for 2). I know first hand how traumatizing it was for them, how resentful they felt then (and still feel twenty years later), and how detrimental it has been for the long-term relationship with their mother. Get over it in one episode (let alone two years)? Ha ha ha ha ha! What a joke! |
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2012-12-09, 16:57 | Link #106 |
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I witnessed several cases due to my job, and it is all "case by case", so no, not all children that were "abandonned" were all resentful all the time, some didn't care, other simply figured out they were too much of a weight, and there of course some of them who were depressed/angered by it, but that's absolutely not the subject.
IRL non withstanding, Rikka's case is peculiar either way, especially she herself stated she does -not- hate her mother at all. Her grief is very highly placed on the loss of her father that felt too sudden. Furthermore, I feel it is extremely dubious and misplaced to think that Rikka's mother shows up "as if nothing happened": your premise is faulty from the get go, since she actually feel Rikka doesn't want to see her even now, despite the problem lies -elsewhere-. So instead of painting characters in a very bad light, at least notice the hints and details the series have shown regarding certain characters you seem to antagonize at all cost.
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2012-12-09, 17:23 | Link #107 | |
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Not quite the same as living in the situation day and night for years and years.
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2012-12-09, 17:37 | Link #108 |
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You are just proving my point all along you know: she didn't show up for the hell of it as if nothing has happened, and surely things will be awkward as of now.
Rikka has her own issue to deal with, and so far all her relatives can't do anything about it despite all their efforts (which was already implied that her mother tried apologizing countlessly without any result, and considering her presence, that means she stays in contact with at least Touka). So instead of thinking nothing has happened, it is the absolute opposite: Rikka's mom is actually bearing her cross, and like many parents after such familial issue, they might lose their confidence as being a parent figure to their child and prefer not to aggravate things. And because of Rikka's chuuni, it is nearly impossible for them, Touka included, to figure what she is exactly thinking and only someone who has experienced chuunibyou would be able to get close enough to Rikka. Really, I'm really getting annoyed how some of you think it is easy to talk with Rikka, with a 100% chuunibyou mode all the time, save when she actually opens up (which happened only to 1 single person in the series): being close, blood related, with an authority position doesn't make you suddenly able to understand your own child, especially during their adolescence. Factoring a behaviour like chuunibyou, and you have the best combination of facing against a wall, and that's -no one's fault-. And no, I never expected Rikka to have a grudge against her mother, especially because of Episode 7. However, I see why her mother is unable to make any move, due the circumstances that are hardly possible to get over. Being a spectator has way too much privileges sometimes.
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2012-12-09, 17:43 | Link #109 | ||
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Fred, I know you think Yuuta crossed the line, but I don't see how any other explanation than the above makes his behavior plausible--only something as serious as Rikka causing her own estrangement from her only living parent would cause him to reverse himself, assuming Yuuta is not already a punk. But if he is a punk, why has he acted in such a sympathetic way toward Rikka since the episode he realized how lonely Rikka was? One can still think Yuuta in an ideal world would have found a better way to deal with the issue, but I think it's clear that he discovered some information that made him very, very concerned about Rikka's Chuuni, even though he understands quite well the motivations behind it. Otherwise, his character would be so self-contradictory as to be nonsensical. Finally, regarding real world analogies--while the best anime hits the right emotional registers, this is one series where it's just not helpful to use real world examples about child abandonment. This is a series that, like a lot of anime, shows events that don't normally happen in Japanese society--I find it hard to believe Rikka's behavior would actually be tolerated by her teachers in a real Japanese school. Or that students go around slide kicking each other. Or Kumin is that clueless. Or that every girl in the school seems ridiculously cute. The series exists in its own world, and the question is how do their very human emotions work in the context of the fictional universe. |
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Honestly, I think you're doing the anime a bit of a disservice. As comedic-centric as its first few episodes have been, it's taken its more serious elements very seriously. I don't think that real world analogies are necessarily out of place here.
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2012-12-09, 18:10 | Link #111 | |||
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Let me try to explain myself better; I think the series has a very serious and worthy take on issues of fantasy, escapism, and loss, but I do NOT think it's realistic, in the sense that what occurs in the series could occur in the "real world." I actually think realism can be over-rated, which is precisely one of the reasons I watch anime. And other forms of story-telling also use their own particular conventions to get at fundamental emotional truths, even if those conventions are deliberately stylized and artificial. Actually, sometimes they can get at those truths, precisely because of those conventions. This is in no way a criticism. However, this is also the reason why trying to give a clinical diagnosis of Rikka's mental state is just not useful--how could one do such a thing for a fictional character, who we see for 20 minutes a week? Or using too many real world analogies, which by definition don't correspond very well to what we see in the anime. |
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2012-12-09, 18:48 | Link #114 | |||
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But if even that warrants "all we know, it could be a ploy!", then we can basically doubt -everyone's feelings- in there. It is just getting ridiculous. I find it funny you doubt her mother's emotions there, while you were quick to call Yuuta "violent" despite just seeing him raising his voice and holding Rikka's hand. Quote:
It is just a major problem that wears down Rikka's relative endurance, which is why I mentioned that they are also affected by Rikka's state, as it is obviously heartwrenching to have a relative like that, but just impossible to get through of their shell.
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2012-12-10, 16:23 | Link #115 | |
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1) At some point soon after the death of her father, Rikka started to resist talking to her mother. 2) Mom left Rikka and Touka with their paternal grandparents after dad's death (Touka says this in episode 7). On the second point, we don't know why or under what circumstances she left, or if she went somewhere out of reach of her daughters. The only fact is, she did leave them. That sounds like abandonment to me. And if she had a good reason to leave (which there's no reason to assume, as of yet) it would surely still feel like abandonment for Rikka in her fragile emotional state at the time. On the first point, it is assumed mom lost Rikka's trust because she didn't tell her of dad's illness, resulting in her shock when he died which is the root of the trauma she's still carrying. And if mom then abandoned her, it only makes sense that Rikka would grow more emotionally distant and resist even harder on mom's subsequent attempts to reach out. Why would she open up to someone who, in her mind, has hurt her repeatedly (if unintentionally)?
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2012-12-10, 17:25 | Link #116 | |
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2012-12-12, 20:32 | Link #117 | |
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To me, it's more like an artistic choice. Leaving important details for the viewers to fill in can have interesting effects. For one, it forces them to think of the issue which involves them better. Arguably, that makes things feel more personal and the emotional effects become stronger. For another, when done well, as I believe it was here, leaving important things for the viewers to fill in actually highlights the importance than reduce it. It's one of the best ways to deal with a highly pivotal scene imo, as long as it's use is restricted and handled with utmost care.
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2012-12-12, 22:08 | Link #118 | |||
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Touka made the comment to Yuuta for a reason. She wanted to influence his actions. She wanted him to feel like he was acting irresponsibly... and sure enough, that was the exact impact her words had on him. I don't begrudge Touka her opinions, but she can be rather forceful and insistent on them, imo. Frankly, I think there's times Rikka would have been better off if Touka had left well enough alone. Quote:
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But this work obviously surrounds the concept of Chuunibyou, and raises questions as to how much of it is too much, and how much of it should be viewed as tolerable (if not perhaps even beneficial). Touka takes a hard-line stance against chuunibyou, and encourages the (now) more moderate Yuuta to similarly take a hard-line stance against it. This has become the central conflict of the anime, which ties into what the work as a whole revolves around. The resolution of that conflict isn't something that should be left largely or entirely to viewer interpretation, imo. To me, that's a copout. It honestly feels a bit cheap, like the writer has created a tricky philosophical quandary that is so tricky that he himself doesn't want to take a stand on it. So if we never learn what Yuuta said to Rikka, I will personally find that disappointing.
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