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I agree the most gifted young ninja surpass their teaches, but the point i was making is it seems with the exception of narutos generation, each generation as a whole seems to have gotten weaker. Also i dont think any of the sannin surpassed sarutobi in his prime, bu like i stated, shinobi like itachi took things to a new level, but as a whole the generations have been getting weaker and weaker
Hashirama madara generation > 3rd raikage/hokage/kazekage hanzo generation > sannin nagato generation > 4th hokage/raikage/kazekage generation > naruto generation > kakashi generation I got lazy at the end with naming names, but my point is most of the present kages dont even compare to their predecessors. I think it may have something to do with the times becoming increasingly more peaceful and stable. |
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2012-03-18, 19:12 | Link #103 |
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Kabuto himself shouldn't be able to put up some serious fight against these two. These two can beat the shit out of Orochimaru (Sasuke has now EMS, he had more than one powerup after he turned against Orochimaru), so why would Kabuto be able to fight them if his master Orochimaru was not able? That would not make sense. So the only thing that makes sense is if either Kabuto summons back Madara to save his ass or he summons other people. Letting Kabuto become a mad scientist type guy like Dr.Gero was is ok, but letting him become a super-powered ninja out of nowhere would be complete nonsense. I think Kishimoto might follow the pattern that was in Dragon Ball with Dr. Gero, sure the scientist upgraded himself by making of himself an android, but he was still very weak when compared to the top guys, in fact one of his own creations killed him. So Kabuto being killed by something that he created and maybe will try to use just now is quite possible in my opinion. And right now Madara seems to be the best choice for that. That would spare the kages on one hand, but more importantly if Kabuto dies then Edo-Madara remains in this world and we have another super-villain for Naruto.
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2012-03-18, 19:46 | Link #104 | |
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Kabuto seems abit more sadistic than Orochi and he should have the abilities to back it up by now. I assume he has access to all of the KinJitsus that Orochi collected throughout the series since he knows EdoTensei. I'm not gonna count Kabuto out until his soul is crushed or sealed because death is meaningless in this manga. |
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2012-03-18, 20:11 | Link #105 | |
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2012-03-19, 04:22 | Link #107 | |
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Kakashi from the start of Shippunden when Naruto came back to the Village and along with Saruka to take the bells of Kakashi's waist in training, said that Naruto had already surpassed him!. and that was without Naruto even reaching Sage mode?. |
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2012-03-19, 10:11 | Link #108 | |
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Kabuto may not know this which is why I think he may try have the snake break him out of genjutsu but it probably won't work. @Apollian I think at that time Naruto only surpassed Kakashi in attack power / stanima etc but Kakashi was still stronger overall with his Mangekyou and years of experience back then (not counting the Kyuubi's power). |
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2012-03-19, 12:11 | Link #109 |
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That is why i added that Sasuke was then much weaker than his current power. Sasuke has EMS, which is above MS. Itachi beat easily Orochimaru two times, so with EMS he wouldn't be too much trouble for Sasuke. Orochimaru was praised by the 3rd hokage as the one who has the ability to become the next hokage, and Kabuto was just a guy who served under Orochimaru. Sure Kabuto got a lot more screen time than an average servant of an evil boss, but that doesn't mean he can just magically become stronger than Orochimaru. Of course he did thank Naruto for inspireing him to surpass his former master, so we can say that Naruto's magic speeches that help characters to power up was successful even in Kabuto's case. But in my opinion the powerup that we have already seen is just enough, to make Kabuto so powerful that he can fight two MS/EMS guys at the same time would be stupid. Of course i might be wrong, maybe it will be explained that Kabuto had this potential in him the whole time, but i think coming up with such a plot twist would be lame and not fitting Kabuto's mad scientist character.
And i didn't mean that Kabuto can't win, just that he can't win by himself, he needs to use either Edo-Madara or summon some other Edo-Tensei guys (Sasuke's parents or others). |
2012-03-19, 18:09 | Link #110 |
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You can make an argument that in every teacher-student relationship we have seen(Naruto/Kakashi, Naruto/Jiraiya, Sasuke/Orochimaru, Shikamaru/Asuma, etc), the student has now surpassed the teacher. So that is what Kishimoto might have been talking about with the next generation surpassing the previous one. Obviously Tenten was not going to be stronger than A or Oonki just because she came from a later generation. .
The only one that breaks this chain is Tsunade and Sakura. Sakura is light-years from surpassing Tsunade. Kishi messed up there. |
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2012-03-20, 13:50 | Link #113 |
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Or, they could wait till Gai gets old and stop with the Spring-Time-Youth nonsense and let nature take its course. By that time anyone could surpass the previous generation. The author could be going somewhere with this after all. Previous generations will get old and their powers will rot away. It's not a moral victory, but the next generation will surpass the previous generation... "eventually".
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Sakura is a main character and in Team 7 so she will probably surpass Tsunade at least in power. |
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2012-03-20, 15:31 | Link #115 |
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^ That is one thing that I absolutely do not want to see happening. After all the pathetic displays of helplessness by Sakura I couldn't bare to watch her surpass someone like Tsunade, no matter how much time passes.
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2012-03-20, 16:46 | Link #117 | |
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2012-03-20, 20:51 | Link #118 | |
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Unfortunately, whatever development Kishi planned for Sakura went the way of "The Year of Kakashi." Not only is she worlds away from Tsunade right now, the audience is left to feel she will never come close to her teacher. Unless Sakura breaks out Byakugou in the next few chapters to help Naruto. And that would likely anger the fanbase and only confuse the audience even more. Sakura is not really a main character anymore and she has to be judged against the other K12 and not Naruto and Sasuke. |
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2012-03-20, 23:30 | Link #119 |
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^agreed. also naruto and sasuke were given extremely powerful lineages. if sakura was a descendant of the senju (which would have been cool, but is far too late to bust out now) then I could see her advancing rapidly. but not as some random kunoichi from a linage most likely less powerful than Ino's
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