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View Poll Results: Shakugan no Shana II - Episode 21 Rating | |||
Perfect 10 | 85 | 63.43% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 35 | 26.12% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 8 | 5.97% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 1 | 0.75% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 3 | 2.24% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 1 | 0.75% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 1 | 0.75% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 0 | 0% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 0 | 0% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 0 | 0% | |
Voters: 134. You may not vote on this poll |
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2008-03-08, 03:24 | Link #41 | |
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Just look at Haruhi. They certainly took their time to make a season 2. |
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2008-03-08, 03:50 | Link #42 |
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Quoting this for truth. Shana is J.C. Staff's flagship property, the largest money-maker in a while, with not only two seasons but OVA's, a movie and (possibly) more movies to come. It should be their most polished anime since so many people are going to it for not just the story, but the artwork, actors/actresses and so many other things; cheapening out on it just ruins the show's reputation and hurts chances for more, like Fate/stay night.
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2008-03-08, 10:00 | Link #45 | ||
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Anyway, this goes to comparing studios, since Haruhi's dragged in as an example to show how "incompetent" J.C staff are. While I'm not exactly the happiest SnS II watcher, believing that the quality could be better, that doesn't mean J.C and KyoAni have the same quality of staff, same amount of budget given to them and the same mindsets. |
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2008-03-08, 13:18 | Link #46 |
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Just comparisons. Haruhi is Kyoto Animation's flagship property, their most popular title. Even considering Lucky Trash's success, Haruhi was the trigger and SII will no doubt top the first and LS's sales. So Kyoto Animation is taking pains to make it look good, since many people are going to buy it for reasons other than the story. Shana is J.C. Staff's equivalent to Haruhi, the defining show of the whole studio.
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2008-03-08, 13:31 | Link #47 | ||
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if KyoAni's other properties had the sales figures of J.C. properties, Haruhi would have been rushed too. But of course Kanon has like twice the sales figures of SnS 1, Lucky star has 3 times the sales of SnS 1, Clannad has twice the sales of SnS 1, and even before Haruhi, air had about twice the sales figures of SnS 1. In fact, the only shows KyoAni has made that have sold worse than ANY J.C properties is FMP shows. (never gonna see those again) It's a foolish comparison, because KyoAni makes enough money to do as they please, while J.C. staff doesn't. Producers expect results, even if it means turning out inferior products. It's exactly because it's a money maker that Shana 2 got rushed. |
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2008-03-08, 13:43 | Link #48 |
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ashlay nearly stole the words out of my mouth. You can't compare Haruhi with Shana solely because of the before-and-after productions of their respective producers. ashlay made a case in point for Kyoto Animation's side, so now let me give you J.C. Staff's side.
If you think back to J.C.'s previous productions from 1/1/2003 to SnS I, you would see basically no-name animations that couldn't make top just because they are defeated even before AIR was released: Nanaka 6/17 (2003) Mahou Tsukai ni Taisetsu na Koto (2003) Gunparade March ~Aratanaru Kougunka~ (2003) Ikki Tousen (2003) R.O.D -THE TV- (2003) Shingetsutan Tsukihime (2003) Ai Yori Aoshi ~Enishi~ (2003) Maburaho (2003) Sensei no Ojikan: Doki Doki School Hours (2004) Hikari to Mizu no Daphne -Daphne in the Brilliant Blue- (2004) Bōkyaku no Senritsu (2004) (a.k.a. Melody of Oblivion) Oku-sama wa Mahō Shōjo (2005) Karin (2005) Gokujou Seitokai (2005) If you think about it, these weren't successful at all, so however good they really are in terms of storyline, animation, whatever, they were pretty much planned one and done. Shakugan no Shana turned out to be the dramatic increasing climax of J.C.'s career, and because of this, many decided to watch their preceding runs. Honey and Clover made an impact as well, and that may as well have led to a second season, planned or not planned. But, because of SnS and ultimately Zero no Tsukaima's success, J.C.'s plans may have changed in order to keep the small number of fans that they have. With that kind of pressure, what more can you expect than a decrease in quality? |
2008-03-08, 22:16 | Link #49 |
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The point is, I believe you may have misunderstood, that you said Shana 2 has to be rushed because Shana 1 was a success. Which doesn't make sense.
Haruhi is just an example of how that doesn't necessary need to occur. In this case, its just a bad decision made by J.C. Staff. Well, not that I mind but I personally prefer to see it follow the novel thoroughly from start to end though. |
2008-03-08, 22:43 | Link #50 |
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^did you actually read the posts before yours, because Shana 1 was a success, jc staff rushed shana 2 in order to cash in some profit quickly (as their other titles are not doing as well as shana). while KyoAni has other titles that has done just as well if not better than haruhi, so they didn't need to rush the second season to get some cash. in the end of the day it all comes down to money, if jc staff didn't rush sns 2 and znt 2, they would have a pretty bad year.
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2008-03-09, 05:49 | Link #60 | |
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There is a significant anti-hero in Shana but he hasn't shown up yet. Here's a hint.
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