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So is most of the main cast and secondary cast. Difference here is at least shinn picked a side and stayed with it and was ready to accept administration punishment when he broke the rules. I hate it when people dont flip the coin and ask.. Why didnt Captain todaka tell shinn who he is. Im just being fair here... |
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She was just about to marry him without able to refused or even tell Kira/Athrun. (She was just puppet leader.) Last edited by Gundamx; 2012-01-31 at 08:44. |
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2012-01-31, 08:09 | Link #3025 |
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Cagalli was just 18 at that time. I mean, an 18 year old girl can't manage a country as powerful as ORb.. yes, she was just a puppet leader at that time and most of her underlings were taking advantage of her youth and inexperience.. I find Cagalli's character very complex in Destiny because her skills as a leader were being tested. she was definitely flawed and reckless at that but she proved to be strong near the end.
Athrun wasn't helping the situation either. Instead of supporting Cagalli, he goes back to ZAFT (dumbass). Kira wasn't helping at all too, his doubt was presently there because he didn't want to chose between siding with Athrun or Cagalli.. but he was more or less siding with Cagalli because Lacus' life was attempted to be killed by highly skilled ZAFT special ops. ORB's higher ups are all Aristocrats.. they are highly influential families. the family who placed the GAT series in Heliopolis back in SEED was an ORB Aristocrat too. I forgot the name |
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If you still disagree with me about this, then maybe it’s just a matter of preference. You’re satisfied with what given in the anime about this matter while I’m not. It’s as simple as that. Quote:
More Seiran start leading ORB’s fleets?! Oh, no! Yuna’s decision himself have cost enough ORBian's lives. Quote:
While I don't argue you that she's kinda puppet leader,
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2012-01-31, 16:48 | Link #3028 | |
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I'll concede that point to you, since Athrun and Kira aren't suited for military either. I thought it was self-explanatory so I didn't need to mention it. Could you go into details about "Hero of the slave laborers are just a few." bit for me? I just didn't like the fact Shinn was haughty when people told him a different opinion and his grudge against ORB. It's not like he doesn't have any good points as a character, I didn't bother to list them. True, Captain Todaka could have said something too, but the anime didn't go into details that much about it. Although, Shinn should have known that he was an high ranking officer of ORB, or else Captain Todaka wouldn't be able give a recommendation for Shinn to head towards PLANT. He didn't have much problems attacking ORB or blaming them for what happened to his family despite all that. What reason did Shinn join ZAFT? Was it for revenge or for being an ally of justice? Yes he did pick a side and stayed with it, but his motives for joining lean a bit more towards revenge than anything else in the beginning. For example, Shinn was disturbed by his orders to kill Athrun and Meyrin, Rey helped him indirectly to make that decision and comforted him in later episodes to stay true to it. I also skipped a bit of the teen drama stuff too, and the poorly executed recaps. I usually like watching the drama, although its not as appealing as the first time around. Well Gundam Seed and Gundam Seed Destiny are very different other Gundam series in the franchise. They do not follow usual model for Gundam series. I only watched it again for the nostalgia.
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You might wanna say that being a puppet is okay as long as nobody’s hurt and ‘peace’ is kept. But, having no dignity and freedom is no good for us. ORB’s principles are truly similar to ours but the nature of the people seems different. The ORBians seems okay to be puppets as long as they have their ‘peace’. Quote:
If the more powerful ally wanted to relay their directions, the admirals are clearly a better choice than some 'green' guy.
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I originally didn't focused on this. Still, I agree with you on this one in the case of Destiny.
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2012-01-31, 22:55 | Link #3034 |
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What we know of the alliance is that the members of that alliance pledge to help each other, including giving military aids. Beyond that, you can't really say that there's no equality, at least, as far as the term of the alliance is concerned.
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The problem is, at first, the 'alliance' in Destiny is used for the countries controlled by LOGOS. Then, they expand their influence by 'oppressing' other little countries to join them to add to their arsenal to be used after the Junius 7 drop incident.
Yes, technically speaking, the term 'alliance' is about equality. We already went through this some posts above, right?
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You may disagree with that decision, but you can't really blame them if they don't want Orb to be occupied again. |
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forever. This is not angry expression, just being lively . I do enjoy this argument. I don't really blame them. I just disagree with them. Saying somebody 'gutless' is not a direct blaming isn't it?
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As far as I can remember, it’s never clearly mentioned in the anime whether the Seirans (or just one of them) is a member of LOGOS. Then again, it’s been a long time since last I see Destiny. So, my memory about Seirans -> LOGOS thing isn’t really clear. The Seirans helped Djibril, that’s for sure. Whether they’re equals or the Seirans are just puppets, I don’t remember. Do enlighten me if you remember the details.
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