Utawarerumono Episode 7 Discussion / Poll

[Jinsoo]

:O Seems like wing stroke'll be the offical term here XD Neat, I started something lol

But yes, I'm amused to see a wing stroke in action ;o WILL THEY SQUEEK TOO? D:> *the squeek turn on* XD

[Lost]

They will squeek and then accidentally flame you into a heap of dust.

Originally Posted by Xellos-_^

Just some random thoughts.

Would you serve fried chicken or any type of fowl to a guest with wings?

And do you guys prefer wings, legs or breast? And no it is not a naughty question

Why not? Unless I had reason to believe that they were remotely related to chickens or fowls. Just because they have wings doesnt really make them birds does it? Erm. You talking about Chicken right? Breast for me. If you were talking about something else, Mukuru take you.

BTW 7's been subbed.

[Onizuka-GTO]

furry chicken breast banzai!

er...that didn't come out right....

[Lost]

Originally Posted by Onizuka-GTO

furry chicken breast banzai!

er...that didn't come out right....

LOL. Steamed Chicken Breast banzai! Chicken Tonight banzai! bleh.

Ep 7. Wow. I LOVE the animation they do for the massive battle charges. WOW. Looks like the animation from Medieval Total War; its almost 3D!! Beautiful

Spoiler for screenshot:

Shadows Shadows Shadows..

Wait

It really is 3D.. coolness. This episode somehow uncannily reminds me of Medieval TW.

Originally Posted by kj1980

I was hoping for a scene where Hakuoro names the new country as Tuskuru in her honor. Oh well...

Spoiler:

Eh? Isnt that what happens?

Spoiler for my spoilerish views on ep7:

Seriously, I really think that the animation of the battle scenes are vey well done, I especially like the battle that led to Nuwangi's downfall, the smoke, flames and cinders were very real and well done; plus the fighting and cheoreography of the "heroes."

At first I was a bit put off by that map scene that showed them advancing so fast, because I thought it was unrealistic that such a militia-rish band could fight so many battles and not get exhausted; but when I saw the numbers in the assault of the Capital, I finally understood their scale. Its as Hakuoro says; I will not lay siege to a place if I cannot win it. Not a bad leader.

Plot movement was just nice, although I felt that it wasnt good to skip over such a long time period (must have been a few months) would be nice if we journied on their battles together with them; there are alot of possible side-arcs, plus development of characters, so I don't think that would have gotten boring. Anyway alot of things happened in this episode, and that can't be bad.

I'd give it a 9 for excellent.

And lastly...

Spoiler for angel pictures:

Wing-stroke? No. No.


Wing-stroke? YES YES.

[Psieye]

Originally Posted by Cyz

yea, i guess so. but that kind of thinking will get him killed someday. but that what makes him a hero of the story ne?

That kind of thinking will also save him on some days. There are a great variety of would-be enemies and thus there is no perfect attitude to deter all of them. Some would kill him if he did kill Nuwangi. Some would kill him if he didn't kill Nuwangi. You cannot tell what kind of people will become your enemies, so it's useless to say that one is better than the other without trying out a huge variety of contexts.

No need for me to repeat what everyone else has said that his actions boost his Rep/Honour/Fame.



Anyway, CG BATTLES!!! YEAH! Eventually, technology should reach a point where they don't use repeat frames, they just use repeat 3D animation shown from a different angle and against different skins of 'cannon fodder'.

And as with previous eps, it's good that they take the time to show casualties on both sides to illustrate the reality of war, while keeping within Broadcasting Licence Limits (i.e. no excessive gore).

Lol at the old man and young child beating up the downed soldier. Kurou only using fists on the peasants was a nice touch too - no need to kill to keep them at bay. Benawi + Kurou know of high people deserving Honourable Death. Hakuoro follows a different code of Honour though, not letting Benawi depart the country before its end (Benawi's own words: "The people is the country", and the people were not wiped).

[Lost]

Originally Posted by Psieye

That kind of thinking will also save him on some days. There are a great variety of would-be enemies and thus there is no perfect attitude to deter all of them. Some would kill him if he did kill Nuwangi. Some would kill him if he didn't kill Nuwangi. You cannot tell what kind of people will become your enemies, so it's useless to say that one is better than the other without trying out a huge variety of contexts.

Lol at the old man and young child beating up the downed soldier. Kurou only using fists on the peasants was a nice touch too - no need to kill to keep them at bay. Benawi + Kurou know of high people deserving Honourable Death. Hakuoro follows a different code of Honour though, not letting Benawi depart the country before its end (Benawi's own words: "The people is the country", and the people were not wiped).

Does anyone think Nuwangi will change? For the better? I'm asking because he wasnt laughing when he ran off into the mist. Perhaps that jolt from being shown mercy by a girl may make him review his actions.

Personally I still want to see him die.

I lol'ed at that part too. And the part near the end where pleasant had soldier under arm and was administering pain.

[Kamui4356]

Overall a good episode. It did seem a bit rushed, and the cgi wasn't that impressive, though I guess for a tv series that doesn't have an insane budget it was ok. I ended up giving it an 8. Hopefully the battles are over for a while and we can see a lot more of Eruruu in the next few episodes. Not to mention I'm curious about the new girls with wings being introduced, even if they aren't quite as cute as Eruruu.

[Psieye]

Originally Posted by Lost

Does anyone think Nuwangi will change? For the better? I'm asking because he wasnt laughing when he ran off into the mist. Perhaps that jolt from being shown mercy by a girl may make him review his actions.

Personally I still want to see him die.

Killing such scum is the easy option. More satisfying I say to wreck their personality and wrack mental torture upon them, then rebuild them as decent folk. 'Showing Mercy' is the archetypical tactic for such brutally cruel treatment. It's harder because you have to be extra confident you'll succeed too.

Nyheheh, worded that slightly oddly to emphasise it ^^

[Onizuka-GTO]

Originally Posted by Psieye

Killing such scum is the easy option. More satisfying I say to wreck their personality and wrack mental torture upon them, then rebuild them as decent folk.^^

what th-... .....

*slowly creeps away from the Brainwashing expert*

[Newprimus]

Wreck their personality? Mental torture? Nonsense, that is soooo tame. You've got to do it using tentacle monsters! Anyone can be broken with a sufficient number and/or length of tentacles!! And then rebuild their personality (ie mindless sex toy).



Ehem, that aside,

Plot movement was just nice, although I felt that it wasnt good to skip over such a long time period (must have been a few months) would be nice if we journied on their battles together with them;

There's a lot more of Utawarerumono to cover. The studio aren't moving fast cause they want to but because they have to.

[Sorrow-K]

I wasn't a huge fan of the CG battle scenes. It worked for the distant aerial shots, but when it got closer it didn't look that great. At least it wasn't as terrible as School Rumble's CG P.E. festival battle scene... but I'll chalk that up as a sign that the technology is improving.

I'm really liking the way the story is progressing. They're doing a good job of showing as much as they can/need to, but they're still going at a reasonably brisk pace. The characters to date have been fairly simple, but all their motivations have been well explained, so their actions are (mostly) believable. It's kinda like the anti-F/SN in those respects </another cheap shot at F/SN>

Spoiler for Nuwangi:

I didn't have a single problem with Newangi's release. Given Eruru's character, it's totally believable that she take pity on him. Whether or not he dies in the anime isn't a major plot point, IMO. I think it's fairly safe to say he's been relegated to the sideline, and won't have any sort of huge impact on the story from here on out.

Spoiler for Tusukuru:

Very fitting that they named the new country after Tusukuru. But, we still haven't been shown explicitly who the new Emperor is. Inevitably it'll be shown in the next episode, but if it is Hakuoro, I must admit I have a little bit of trouble swallowing that. He was reluctant enough to lead the town after Tusukuru's death, and, even though the role of military leader seems to fit him very well, head-of-state doesn't. He seems like the sort of person that'd pass that job to someone else.

Good stuff. I'm highly enjoying this. I think this sort of anime shows what a visual novel-to-anime conversion can do when it has an interesting story that's actually told well and coherently.

[Psieye]

Originally Posted by Sorrow-K

Spoiler for Tusukuru:

Very fitting that they named the new country after Tusukuru. But, we still haven't been shown explicitly who the new Emperor is. Inevitably it'll be shown in the next episode, but if it is Hakuoro, I must admit I have a little bit of trouble swallowing that. He was reluctant enough to lead the town after Tusukuru's death, and, even though the role of military leader seems to fit him very well, head-of-state doesn't. He seems like the sort of person that'd pass that job to someone else.

If I'm to believe Hakuoro's a homage/reference to Zhuge-Liang (what is the English name of that saga... Romance of the Three Kingdoms? Sango?) then he wouldn't place himself as Emperor. He'd be Head Strategist and General Affairs Advisor (I doubt he could go back to being an ordinary villager any time soon - as sadly that'd be irresponsible).

[Newprimus]

I don't think he'll want the position of Emperor, but he's the best man for the job so he'll be kinda forced into the position.

[Xellos-_^]

Originally Posted by Psieye

If I'm to believe Hakuoro's a homage/reference to Zhuge-Liang (what is the English name of that saga... Romance of the Three Kingdoms? Sango?) then he wouldn't place himself as Emperor. He'd be Head Strategist and General Affairs Advisor (I doubt he could go back to being an ordinary villager any time soon - as sadly that'd be irresponsible).

There is no Lui bei. WHo is he going to pass the job to anyway? Benai is the next best guy for the job but he probably doesn't want it either.

his choice is to either take the job as emperor or like the country slide into civil war with warlord fighting for the job.

[Shiroth]

I really loved the music for episode seven - each piece used really went with whats was going on, right down to the style of fights that we got to see. The mini 3D parts used in the birds eye view part of the episode were kinda crazy.. i hope its not something that'll appear in episodes to come.

Benawi killed the 80's disco king, i'm so glad he did - i wouldn't have been happy if it was anyone else. & i love the fact that Kurou and Benawi are going to stay in the show, though you could kinda tell it was going to happen.. here's hoping we eventually get to see Benawi fight at 100%. ^^

Nexted episode look to be really cute, and oh yeah - Wings! <3

[Trax]

From battle to battle, it all went rather fast... Too fast. Would have liked to see some more interaction, like with any PoWs they might have captured before they reached the emperor. For some reason, none of the battles in the series so far really managed to make much of an impression on me, even the rematch vs Benawi didn't. Ohwell, hopefully the character interactions will make up for it, since at this point I'm not interested in seeing any more battles if it's more of the same. Pretty birds (ooo, double meaning) are coming!

[Lost]

Originally Posted by Psieye

Killing such scum is the easy option. More satisfying I say to wreck their personality and wrack mental torture upon them, then rebuild them as decent folk. 'Showing Mercy' is the archetypical tactic for such brutally cruel treatment. It's harder because you have to be extra confident you'll succeed too.

Nyheheh, worded that slightly oddly to emphasise it ^^

Great. Now I want him to be crushed, stripped of all self-respect and dignity, made pitiable, suffer horribly and then die slowly. J/k j/k. Don't run, Oni-GTO!!

Anyhow he's definitely crushed, no doubt about that. But I wonder if that will make him good, or just go worse and kill more people. Because the way I see it, if Nuwangi does release more bloodshed, Eruruu will partially be responsible

Originally Posted by Sorrow-K

I think it's fairly safe to say he's been relegated to the sideline, and won't have any sort of huge impact on the story from here on out.

I wouldn't be too sure.. Characters disappearing into the fog never stay in the fog.

[Daniel E.]

I may be wrong, but at the end of this episode, I got the impression that Hakuoro will try to force the position of Emperor on Benawi.

That part about "You must take responsability" really send that message to me.

On the preview for the next episode.....

Spoiler for fox girls & wing girls:

They seem to become close friends quite fast. It's almost as if they knew each other already.

EDIT:

Ooops, Hakuoro actually says "You have an obligation"

Oh well, different line same message.

[Newprimus]

Originally Posted by Daniel E.

Spoiler for fox girls & wing girls:

They seem to become close friends quite fast. It's almost as if they knew each other already.

Spoiler:

Kamyu is a very outgoing type of person, as it will be apparent soon I'm sure. People can make friends pretty fast in real life too.

Spoiler for speculation:

What I'm hoping to find out as the series progresses, is why

Spoiler for Possible game spoiler:

Kamyu and that winged girl with the halo at the end of the OP are the only winged people with black wings? (as far as I can tell game CG-wise. None of the other winged people have black wings) Not to mention they have nearly the same hair color.

I think there's a connection, or at least a common origin. Kamyu may also be adopted, which could add weight to the theory

EDIT:

I may be wrong, but at the end of this episode, I got the impression that Hakuoro will try to force the position of Emperor on Benawi.

Hakuoro doesn't come off as the kind of person who'd willingly force anything on anyone (forcing death on Sasante aside).

[Daniel E.]

Spoiler:

Kamyu is a very outgoing type of person, as it will be apparent soon I'm sure. People can make friends pretty fast in real life too.

So true.

Originally Posted by Shinova

Hakuoro doesn't come off as the kind of person who'd willingly force anything on anyone (forcing death on Sasante aside).

He just forced Benawi to live. Why not force him to become the emperor as well?

Of course, I haven't played the game. This is just a guess on my behalf.