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Fewer people are getting *married* in post-industrialized countries... but that doesn't mean they're unattached to someone.
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2009-06-15, 15:43 | Link #102 | |||
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I stay away from Harem in general, since the dullness of the female cast is always stunning XD Quote:
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But that's not only the case in anime. It's also in western films. Like when the hero needs to learn how to fight to fulfill his destiny and is tutored by his love interest who is a total kick ass. And then she gets abducted like a helpless kitty in the second part of the movie, needing to be saved XD Also shoujo isn't free of sexism. I don't read / watch that much, so my impression might not be that representative, but those series are full of stereotypes, that are just as bad as the helpless heroine. Like total douchebags who do nothing but ridicul the other or the super cute girl who falls on the spot for someone she doesn't even know (again that can even be found in Disney movies XD). But I also agree that it's hard to write a story without any sexism at all. I wouldn't say I'm free of it, since I hate whimsical characters and like the strong ones, so I can relate to how hard it is to not let your view get into the way of the story telling. Specially when the female isn't a skilled fighter. I guess an example where I didn't mind the damsel distress in anime would be 'Samurai Champloo'. I mean, come on, how often did Fuu got captured / sold? XD But you can't blame neither the writer or the character, since it's pulled of in a nice way, and she isn't a samurai. She also never gives up, no matter how hopeless her situation seems. Also the women there are portrayed very positive, since the series is loosely based on the edo era ..... even when they get sold by their husbands :P. And like already mentioned ... 'Naruto' is a rather negative example. Female character rarely get in the lime light or get a good fight scene. Even Tsunade who's supposed to be one of the most friggin' strongest Kunoichi in the ninja world, is downplayed a lot when it comes to fighting. It's a bit like the girls are just there to fill in the quota. But I gotta say, it's not as bad as my long rant may make it sound. Yeah lines like "Women are helpless they need to be protected!" or "The only happiness for a woman lies in marriage" are a tad extreme, but shows who have them aren't very intelligent to begin with or don't play them straight, e.g. I heard the second phrase often in romatic comedies ;D On the other hand, females have some pretty good roles. Like if they have a dominant, aggresive character people love it - if a male character is portrayed weak ("SHINJI SUXXX") he gets beaten to no end in fandom. So while I say that anime is somewhat sexist, both towards man and woman, there are also positive examples or you can't blame the writers too much for the roles (mostly). I also think this issue will become less and less in the coming decades. Sexism will never fully vanish, since eyecandy always sells (both titties and muscle men), but the roles of men and women will hopefully be so good balanced that neither feminist or maninist have a lot to bicker about. Hopefully that is. |
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2009-06-15, 17:39 | Link #105 |
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there are some animes/games that are quite the opposite where men are the weak ones and all the girls are stupidly OP than the men.
but like the 2nd poster said, those who take it serious need to grow up, its anime
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2009-06-15, 18:04 | Link #106 | |
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But, as I said before, I'm one who likes to indulge in such guilty pleasures and couldn't care less how sexist it is.
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2009-06-26, 11:07 | Link #108 | |
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Queen's Blade is sexist because it draws its entertainment value from the ogling of women's bodies. If you prefer, you can think of it as being sexist in the same way that women mud-wrestling can be considered sexist.
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2009-06-29, 15:55 | Link #109 | ||
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I like female characters better. One of the reasons I watch anime is that the females are often dominant towards the males, which is non-existent in live action media. Quote:
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2009-06-29, 20:17 | Link #110 | |||
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Where do you get that idea? I've lived here just for 7 years, but I have no idea where this is coming from. California is not a misogynist state. In fact, it's pretty liberal. I would understand if you were talking about one of the southern states (I mean no disrespect to them) since they are more traditionalist, but California? I never got that impression. If you are looking for real misogynist countries, try some of the middle eastern countries, where women sometimes do not have basic human rights and not in California where there are some hip hop bands who promote street culture. Quote:
By the way, this is true about live action here as well. There are countless commercials nowadays that present men as doofuses who can't even finish a job right and their wives have to take care of everything. I can even find you a link if you want. There are plenty of popular sit-coms that do the same thing (Everybody Loves Raymond, King of Queens, etc.) Tell me one live action show that treats men better than women. Quote:
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2009-07-02, 16:11 | Link #113 | |
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Anyhoo, if the protagonist of a story is a tough guy, the female lead will probably end up being rescued by him in some fashion. If he's smart, he impresses the girl and saves the day. If he's a comedian, the wife will put up with his funny antics and help set up punchlines. As it is, nowadays a lot of comedy revolves around people doing dumb stuff. See Married with Children, Family Guy, or The Simpsons. Peggy, Lois or Marge are meant to compliment the real star, not to steal their spotlight. As for advertising, men are only portrayed as helpless when companies are trying to sell something to women. When a product is geared towards men, you are more likely to see women as sex objects there to stimulate mens' desires rather than doing things like thinking or acting independently (think certain deodorant commercials). Advertising pretty much sucks universally, though. |
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2009-08-29, 11:21 | Link #114 |
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Women in Anime
What do you think of the female roles in anime?
Discuss both the over sexualised images of the female within anime, and whether or not this affects the roles they play. Do female get a better deal than that of other western cartoon and films? Is the female empowered because shes sexualised? Does anime tend to put females into more action type roles than that before seen to a western audience? I'd normally give my own opinion in the opening post, but i am much more interested in what you people think. Please there are no right or wrong answers and an opinion can never be bullshit. |
2009-08-29, 22:32 | Link #115 |
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I chuckle at this question because it really depends on the genre, but generally in shows that target young females in western tend portray hyper sexualized, unnatural, unhealthy figures for the young, couple examples winx club, bratz, w/e barbie show, some horse riding show. Any way even when you look at Disney brand movies these same qualities are emphasized and for some reason it seems that western stigma states that females should move on from cartoons and animated features after 12 and catch Gossip girl, or the new 91210, which are even more sexualizations of women, and over exaggerated features that supposedly encompass the standard of beauty in western society.
I will say that in anime since their are so many genres females play different roles, and do use more than just their sexuality. Spoiler for genshiken spoilersish, but an example of how anime differs then the west use of sex appeal:
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I'd normally give my own opinion in the opening post, but i am much more interested in what you people think. Please there are no right or wrong answers and an opinion can never be bullshit.[/QUOTE] Don't say that. Give your opinions, too.
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2009-08-30, 04:43 | Link #119 |
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Interesting stuff so far, and nope this isnt for a paper or anything i'm just curious, i posted the same topic on another forum and got a very one sided response.
Heres what i think. On the whole Anime's portrayal of women is something with cases for both the worst and best roles in which they play. For instance, i believe theres more main character roles, or protagonist roles for women in anime as aposed to western cartoons. Sure theres quite a few Disney films but thats where it practically stops. Where as anime for starters both meets and over takes in numbers the films than Disney with Studio Ghibli's obsession with having the female as the main leading role. Beyond Ghibli we have hundreds of anime with a female as the main character for instance the entire genre called Shojo. My first point here is one of power through being the main driving force within the film. To be the protagonist means that you drive and propell the narrative forwards, with the choices that character makes. As an audience we are subjected to the actions that character chooses and by doing so has the attention of our active gaze. This i find is more common for women in anime than it is in western animation and i believe by giving the female the lead role in this way empowers them more often, than that in western animation. Secondly, i believe the image of the female in japanese animation can be both sexist but on the other hand some what empowering. The image of the female more often than not in Anime has a hold over the other male characters and weakens them to some extent. This strength is not something the female character strives to achieve but rather normally something she already has. For instance most of the Hina Girls in love hina can pretty much make kintaro do whatever they want. Thirdly, the action type role is cast more to women than that of western animation. Examples of course are appleseed, Ghost in the shell, Gunsmith Cats ect ect. Casting women in action roles is something rarely done in western live action let alone animation. However even for things like Tarantino's Kill Bill most of the strong female characters are based from Tarantino's love for all things Japanese, taking direct influences from Lady snowblood and anime. Erm not sure what else to say other than round this up for now. So on the whole i think women get a better role in anime than that in animation mainly due to the roles that are put into. Now of course there are very extreme opposites to this, such as hentai and rape ero games ect but this can be kindaaaa (pushing it here) counter argued with the demasulinised or rather feminised images of the male in yaoi and most other anime with Bishies. Sorry if my grammar is off, its really early in the morning and im feeling a little odd >.< |
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