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Oh, just the fact that everyone involved, who have been dealing with this for the greater part of their lives and thus know a lot about it say they will. That, and the fact that they risked their lives to stop it, even to the point where the ship's captain herself stepped in when things were reaching critical points. |
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2008-03-05, 05:51 | Link #762 | |
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2008-03-05, 05:56 | Link #763 | |
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They may not look all that threatening, and the way Scaglietti used them may not be very powerful, but I'm inclined to believe the characters when they say that it has the potential to create great destruction. |
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2008-03-05, 05:58 | Link #764 | ||||
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2008-03-05, 06:10 | Link #765 | ||
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2008-03-05, 06:27 | Link #766 |
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Arc, you're going a bit over the top. Plot relevent information says normal jewel seeds cause massive catastrophy if allowed to run out of control. Implications say world devastating or even ending/destroying. And there is a way this would happen that falls into the terms of 'running out of control'.
A hundred years ago, I'll bet you nobody thought little pieces of slightly grey metal that catch fire in the air could blow an entire city away. These little pieces of metal turned out to be uranium and plutonium, and the action is called a runaway chain reaction, resulting in the famed Nuclear Explosion... THAT would be the threat of unstable jewel seeds. Not just, yay power surge... more like... "OH F**K! Catastrophic chain reaction!" on a dimensional level. Dimension Nukes. |
2008-03-05, 06:37 | Link #767 |
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I hope you guys don't mind an honest opinion. :3
There are basically two ways to view the current issue, and none of them are actually wrong or right. Ark is stating his opinions from the visual perspective, whereas the rest comes from the verbal side. His opinion is more towards, "I'd not believe it until it's proven true (by visual expectation)." The rest is leaning more for "I believe it's true (by verbal statements) until proven untrue." If you see it from his point of view, they are not totally wrong. Neither are those supporting verbal statements from the character. It would be better if the verbal statements are actually confirmed by some believable visuals (like, the earthquake affecting other continents as well instead of just Uminari alone), but unfortunately, the producers did not seem to take it into account. That leaves us to judge the issue by our own perception. Is there really a point of contention here? :3 |
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For example, how does a volcanic eruption start? Often it does so with an earthquake. However, the earthquake is the least of the concern of the inhabitants, it is what follows the earthquake that is more dangerous. Just because the cast managed to stop the proccess before it could get beyond earthquake level does not mean that automatically the earth would not have been destroyed. Please don't put words in my mouth. I never agreed that they don't look like they could. Don't twist my words. Last edited by Keroko; 2008-03-05 at 06:47. |
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2008-03-05, 06:43 | Link #769 |
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Personally I'm just operating under the belief that we have no idea what a Dimensional Distortion even looks like, or what is involved therein. It could very well be that a minor earthquake in a Japanese city is an apparently non-sequitur precursor to reality itself folding up in mind-bending ways.
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2008-03-05, 07:17 | Link #770 |
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Now that I'm back home, I'm rechecking the episodes themselves. My spot is even better than I thought it would be - the Ep8 dialog is not really in my way at all! I think I'll do a throughout job and punch it all into a webpage, so wait for it.
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2008-03-05, 08:15 | Link #772 | |||||
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There you go, these are the lines that support our case. Will you please show something to support your case? Simply undermining ours isn't helping you, you know. Do you have visuals that flat out contradict what is said here? Not just halfways like the earthquake dying down before it could shatter the planet. Here's another analogy for you. Quote:
You go, Keroko! I may not agree with you that the Cradle is a planet destroyer, but I do agree that the Seeds are. |
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2008-03-05, 08:37 | Link #773 | |
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Think of it like this: If Jewel Seeds can destroy a planet, why would a Lost Logia warship, which was made to destroy things, not be able to? |
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2008-03-05, 09:06 | Link #774 | |
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Otherwise, the simpler meaning is that it was used to forge an empire, then felled it. But yes, the way things are, Jail could have been speaking literally. Oh dear. |
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2008-03-05, 09:13 | Link #775 |
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Please don't post the dialogue. You're gonna make me go check mine, and... well, I mean, I can talk about it, but I'm pretty sure I'm not supposed to actually post the scripts, huh? ;p
There's been mention of nuclear reactions as an example of "whoa, these things have only a little power on their own but go off huge if you cook 'em just right". The metaphor is more apropos than you know. Think about the precise engineering necessary to design a proper implosion-core weapon; if everything isn't rigged just so, to a precision that's almost stupid, the hydrogen fusion fails to occur. You still get an explosion, but it's a peewee explosion, not the full Monty, as it were. (This happened to North Korea when it did its nuclear test, we presume from the pathetic yield detected.) Ark's certainly correct in that world-destroying is a whole different kettle of fish from the sort of power the Jewel Seeds tend to leak randomly. (Keep in mind that such power is actually said to be what, less than 1/10,000th of the actual power of a Jewel Seed.) Precia is trying to make them go critical, for the tremendous boom that follows; she needs the distortion to happen, because she's looking to use that as a path to Alhazard. Whatever - she's a bit nuts too... She's involved in a long process, not really with the number that she calculated would be necessary, not really with the reactor support she was counting on, not after Nanoha went and sealed it. Is there any wonder that Precia's attempt didn't display its full power? Not enough material, not enough energy, not enough time, and then you have Lindy (an accomplished mage in her own right, though if we're going to go all Ark-like, we never actually see her use her own magic other than this; so how strong is she?) actually in there attempting to stop it from happening. Instead of the multiple-dimensions-falling-to-ruin event that Precia was going for, we get a destroyed Garden of Time and a little shakin' observable elsewhere, plus enough instability that local travel is somewhat hampered for months. (This argues that the Garden of Time is, for all intents and purposes, really "close" to Nanoha's Earth.) Keroko, well... a nuclear carrier has a big load of nuclear material, so why can't it blow up with a multi-megaton explosion? Mostly 'cause that's not what it's made for, huh? ;p We don't see anything that leads us to believe that the Cradle can go Death Star. We -can- believe that, in the proper orbit, it can become an unassailable platform, and that nothing on Mid is properly defended from that. Presumably it could destroy Mid in the sense that you could just hang up there in orbit and pound away at it until nobody lived there anymore, but you could also do that with an Arc and patience. (Could you? We have no idea what the recharge requirements on that thing are, after all. Maybe it's one shot and back to dock for replenishment/repair?) |
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http://arkhangelsk.onlinewebshop.net...jewelseed.html Look at my analysis of the same passages and see if it makes sense to you. Quote:
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Try this. The house is burning, but there is no flammables around the house already. |
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My interpretation is that the Jewel Seeds had the potential to do wonky things to the dimension Earth inhabits, thereby making it very possible for them to indeed destroy the Earth. However, to do so, they had to be used (or misused) in some very specific ways. Now, whether Precia was indeed using the Jewel Seeds in that particular dimension-distorting way is not known. The TSAB, rightly so in my opinion, did not want to take any chances. So the Jewel Seeds could have destroyed Earth, but whether they were actually going to do so is unknown, thanks to our heroes' intervention. Also, the Jewel Seeds could have done any number of other things that have nothing to do with destroying Earth, but are just as undesirable for the TSAB. Again, whether they were actually going to do so is just as unknown. So. Does that contradict anything that's been argued so far? |
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