[Manga] Chapter 497 Discussion

[james0246]

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Chapter Status: hopefully confirmed better spoiler...

-Kyuubi and Naruto battle...

-B supports Naruto from the background...

-Kyuubi tries to take back all of its chakra...

-Naruto uses FRS and Odame on Kyuubi, but the creatures hate literaly consumes Naruto's attacks...

-Yami does something (merges with Naruto/warns Naruto...?)...

-Kushina appears in the seal somehow...? (Probably the Kyuubi in disguise, what with Naruto having no idea what his mother looks like...then again, neither should the Kyuubi)...

[Alchemist007]

Kyuubi hax. I'm closer to believing that Naruto is on some hard drugs though

[SeanQ]

Mommy looks evil.

[ragnos007]

Spoiler for a fuller spoiler:

With bees supports naruto fights against NINE TAIL DEMON FOX
Bee tells naruto if u get into NINE TAIL DEMON FOX's mind with my backup
and seize the source of chakra from NINE TAIL DEMON FOX's mind u can use the BIJUU chakra as your own power. and it will be YOURS forever.

Inside NINE TAIL DEMON FOX's mind using gigantic rasengan, rasen shuriken etc
naruto manages to get to the front of the chakra and gets caught by NINE TAIL DEMON FOX's hatred which is huger than expected.
there yami naruto emerges again.
Yamato and killerbee support naruto and yami naruto shouts at naruto to go away and vanish.
Then someone says 'no,u can stay here, naruto'
Its kushina. ---To be continued.

[Photonbeam]

I hope that Kushina is the real one and not the Kyuubi disguising as her.

[ragnos007]

since james says direct convo into here i will but this is in response to what people said last cpter discussion

Originally Posted by janipani

I don't expect him to contract with more summoning technics, or be able to handle more elements, but he could at least learn to use wind more creatively and have several wind based jutsus.

First of all its impossible to have more than one summoning contract (unless you are Pain or someone else with the rinnegan). Sasuke gave up his snake contract for his hawk contract. The seals to the summoning are still the same. Considering that, why would naruto give up his frogs. He isnt that type of person

If we take a typical real life practical learner, who is not very good at school and get bored while hearing difficult theories, they usually are still super smart people when they do thing they like most. They can learn a lot and understand very complicated things.

That's why I don't really understand why Naruto has been made in to so complete idiot, that he can only master two or three version of same jutsu. I think that is little bit in conflict with he's other impressive ninja skills, or is it so that for Naruto only basic martial arts are his major and learning any jutsu only painful information.

Thats not always the case - what if he is good at a few things?? say having huge stamina and getting through to people (negotiation), yes... being a practical learner, good at tactics. Being good at many things would also mean that he doesnt specialise in one thing.
Also dont forget that people can generally be slow learners. I know i am most of the time. Hell Naruto could have ADD, ADHD.
The character naruto isnt some uber skilled person - that would make things too easy and make things a bit dull. For 1 he has a massive reservoir of chakra and if he was to be uber skilled at something to begin with then he would be an insurmountable adversary. Like he is becoming now. By having things that he needs to improve on makes the manga more interesting than him being perfect in one form or another

Originally Posted by Fukitsu Naruto

-To be fair james, Sabaku Kyu, Naruto is going through this Kyuubi taming ordeal in order to be able to use a yet undisclosed jutsu which seems to require chakra resevoir on par with that of a bijuu. That being said however, I do admit that Naruto's constant use of Kage Bunshin and Rasengan is rather stale. It's not that it's bad and far be it of us to demand to change a formula that works, but dammit all, you could at least try to mix it up. For me, the pinacle of Naruto's ingenuity and mastery of Kage Bunshin was shown in the Pain battle. He was quick on his feet and mind, thus being able to withstand even Shinra Tensei at full force without either Sennin Mode or the Kyuubi's chakra armour. If all of his fights had been played out in various degrees of that mastery then we'd most likely be more kinder to them, but sometimes, the outcome makes no sense/satisfaction due to presentation. The Kakuzu fight was a prime example of that. Although he did use the Kage Bunshins to their "newly" revealed role, it felt off and out of place, especially how Kakuzu reacted to them when he knew what was happening in the 1st place.

I agree.

This is to all those haters out there compaining how naruto isnt learning any new jutsu.
Think about this - When and how long for has naruto had time to himself to actually train??? He has constantly been on the move, Constantly thinking about more immediate problems like safety of friends, negotiating with kages to stop targetting sasuke. The only time before now that he has had time to actually train was before the pain fight when he was training to become a sage. And he only had like a week for that and according to Fukasaku (grampa frog) training to become a sage in 1 wk was cutting it close. Naruto still found a way to get his rasengshuriken to work.
Naruto hasnt had much opportunities to train either because he has to constantly be alert and on top of his game so incase Akatsuki attacks him and ambushes him. So naruto only has the chance to train when he has proper protection. He was safe in the toad village because of how hard it is to get there. He decided in his free moments to start training with one of his trump cards before sakura came to tell him she loved him... he felt it was ok to do that since madara had just shown up and it was doubtful he would come for a chat, saying he would throw sasuke at him then attack with someone else.
He is now safe to train on the island because of the protection and the barrier (i say he is safe because nobody knows about kisame).
Think about what he has been up to since he learnt his wind chakra...
-Fought kakuzu,
-Recovered from his injury from the incomplete rasenshuriken.
-Went after sasuke after sasuke defeated orochi. naruto thought himself to be
capable enough for sasuke at this point.
In the failure of this mission, he was constantly under threat of an akatsuki
attack, he bouted with kabuto, bouted with itachi, and fought with tobi/madara. - Then returned to konoha to learn that his master was killed.
- He had his cry and his mourning session, in which you can understand why he
didnt train and if you cant then you're a dumb shit
- He then left to go to the frog village and mastered sage mode and his
rasengshuriken.
- He returned and fought and defeated Pain.
- Had a breather from his epic battle and also helped konoha rebuild.
- Bouted with the lightning nin, then allowed himself to get the shit kicked out of
him by that karui chick or what ever her name is.
- Hauled ass to the iron country to try and convince Raikage not to kill Sasuke.
- Started heading back slowly, feeling defeated, and holes up at an inn.
- Is then approached by Madara and conversation ensues.
- Decides he needs to train a bit (extending the duration of sage mode).
- Is immediately interrupted by Sakura who lies to him saying she loves him.
- Bides his time and waits for yamato to fall asleep before going to rescue
Sakura and Kakashi from Sasuke.
- Has his little thing with Sasuke where he decides to fight sasuke to stop him.
- Heads back to Konoha with the intention of training. cant train on the way back
because he got poisoned my Sakuras kunai.
- In konoha he is summoned to get his future told by the old sage. Telling him to
seek out Bee
- Is immediately sent to the island where he is at now, where he is being taught
to control the kyuubi.

I suppose he could have tried to train on that journey to learn new things but you have to think of someones train of mind. He is fixated on finding Bee asap and controling the kyuubi. This is a huge high for naruto because he has been affected by the kyuubi his whole life and to finally get control over it is HUGE.
Another reason why he didnt or couldnt have trained on the journey is because they are ordered to hurry to lightning village with all speed. Why cant he train on the boat ride??? Anxiety... Or if he did think about learning new moves, consider his past training sessions. Rasenshuriken training... The boat would sink... from naruto constantly miscalculating.

ALL IN ALL, NARUTO HAS BEEN A VERY BUSY BOY. He has barely had a break. Dont forget he is still just a Genin, and isnt being trained. He didnt learn anything in school because he was a little shit. So if the class was taught how to make new moves then he wasnt paying attention to knowthe first thing about creating a new jutsu with seals and all. something that we all know he doesnt really have a talent for anyway because his chakra control is shot.
Jiraiya never concentrated on teaching Naruto a whole arsenal of new jutsu because naruto wasnt strong enough at the time. Jiraiya concentrated on self defence mainly. Under Jiraiya naruto improved his taijutsu, Genjutsu expulsion, Oodama rasengan. And using the Kyuubis chakra which was very apparent after time skip

Another thing that isnt considered is Kyuubis chakra and the affect it is having on narutos chakra and concentration. With narutos seal, kyuubis chakra is/was (now that the seal is removed) constantly leaking between the bars and mixing with narutos. Along with that chakra is Kyuubis will. The seal was never designed to separate kyuubis will from the chakra otherwise he probably would have been able to seal all of kyuubi into naruto and not just the good half of kyuubis chakra. The technique the 4th used on kyuubi (cant remember its name) is not fully understood, even by the 3rd whom the technique was given to. Kyuubis chakra, as little as it may be is affecting narutos control. Remember in the forest of death in the chuunin exams when orochi did that 5 bar seal on narutos kyuubi seal. After that naruto was having great difficulty molding chakra even his own. This was really evident when he was being trained by ebisu to walk on water. after Jiraiya removed the seal that orochi put on, naruto had no trouble with walking on water.
Maybe after naruto learns to control the kyuubi, all his handicaps will be removed.
Thinking back to when orochi put that 5 bar seal on naruto and naruto couldnt mold his chakra very good... This of what might happen to narutos ability of Kyuubis chakra was removed completely. I'm guessing Naruto would end up being a diminished ninja. Ending up being like Lee - unable to mold chakra. Having to rely on his sage mode forever. Having to finish a fight in 5 mins or he is dead.

On another note, i am constantly being torn between whether Juubi will be completed or not and whether it will be the half of kyuubi in naruto that will be taken out or whether Juubi will be prevented to coming back
OMFG i just thought of something - KABUTOMARUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU
KABUTOMARU COULD DO EDO TENSEI AND SUMMON THE 4TH!!!!! That should be able to give them access to the other half of the kyuubi.
I doubt that Naruto's kyuubi will be taken because that would mean that sasuke would defeat naruto once again and i dont think the manga will be going on that long - to the point where there will be another rematch.
Maybe both halfs of kyuubis chakra need to be extracted for Juubi to come back
Maybe because naruto only has half of kyuubis chakra that he will survive the extraction process if that ever happens...

Well i hope you enjoyed my 10cents. There is GRADE A stuff here if i may say so myself :P enjoy

[james0246]

^LOL, I didn't mean to direct old conversation to the new thread...

[Blaat]

Originally Posted by Photonbeam

I hope that Kushina is the real one and not the Kyuubi disguising as her.

Assuming that's true how could the kyuubi know what Naruto's mum looks like?

[ragnos007]

Originally Posted by james0246

^LOL, I didn't to direct old conversation in a new thread...

lol ok i'll put it there but seriously read it lol because it took alot of time out of me studying for my finals :P

[ragnos007]

The fact that Kushina is there may be an indication as to how Minato was able to split the chakra in half and seal one half into someone that hadnt activated the technique

Lol i wonder if yami naruto will jab Kushina in the gut like he did with minato :P

[Nite-Wing]

umm okay so Naruto knows what his mom looks like now -__-

How come Naruto needs Bee's help didn't Bee do this exact same thing by himself?

[ragnos007]

Originally Posted by Nite-Wing

umm okay so Naruto knows what his mom looks like now -__-

How come Naruto needs Bee's help didn't Bee do this exact same thing by himself?

Bee probably went through alot of trial and error. So to speed things up (including the story) Bee is helping naruto control the kyuubi faster than if naruto did it by himself.

But no, naruto doesnt know what his mother looks like. Honestly, to me, the look on naruto's face did not give an indication that he knows kuchina it was more like who the fuck is this?

[Kakosan]

Wow! This is going well! Kishi actually managed to caught my interest in this arc.

[Emilis]

Spoiler for LOTS of "Grade A Stuff":

Originally Posted by ragnos007

since james says direct convo into here i will but this is in response to what people said last cpter discussion

First of all its impossible to have more than one summoning contract (unless you are Pain or someone else with the rinnegan). Sasuke gave up his snake contract for his hawk contract. The seals to the summoning are still the same. Considering that, why would naruto give up his frogs. He isnt that type of person

Thats not always the case - what if he is good at a few things?? say having huge stamina and getting through to people (negotiation), yes... being a practical learner, good at tactics. Being good at many things would also mean that he doesnt specialise in one thing.
Also dont forget that people can generally be slow learners. I know i am most of the time. Hell Naruto could have ADD, ADHD.
The character naruto isnt some uber skilled person - that would make things too easy and make things a bit dull. For 1 he has a massive reservoir of chakra and if he was to be uber skilled at something to begin with then he would be an insurmountable adversary. Like he is becoming now. By having things that he needs to improve on makes the manga more interesting than him being perfect in one form or another

I agree.

This is to all those haters out there compaining how naruto isnt learning any new jutsu.
Think about this - When and how long for has naruto had time to himself to actually train??? He has constantly been on the move, Constantly thinking about more immediate problems like safety of friends, negotiating with kages to stop targetting sasuke. The only time before now that he has had time to actually train was before the pain fight when he was training to become a sage. And he only had like a week for that and according to Fukasaku (grampa frog) training to become a sage in 1 wk was cutting it close. Naruto still found a way to get his rasengshuriken to work.
Naruto hasnt had much opportunities to train either because he has to constantly be alert and on top of his game so incase Akatsuki attacks him and ambushes him. So naruto only has the chance to train when he has proper protection. He was safe in the toad village because of how hard it is to get there. He decided in his free moments to start training with one of his trump cards before sakura came to tell him she loved him... he felt it was ok to do that since madara had just shown up and it was doubtful he would come for a chat, saying he would throw sasuke at him then attack with someone else.
He is now safe to train on the island because of the protection and the barrier (i say he is safe because nobody knows about kisame).
Think about what he has been up to since he learnt his wind chakra...
-Fought kakuzu,
-Recovered from his injury from the incomplete rasenshuriken.
-Went after sasuke after sasuke defeated orochi. naruto thought himself to be
capable enough for sasuke at this point.
In the failure of this mission, he was constantly under threat of an akatsuki
attack, he bouted with kabuto, bouted with itachi, and fought with tobi/madara. - Then returned to konoha to learn that his master was killed.
- He had his cry and his mourning session, in which you can understand why he
didnt train and if you cant then you're a dumb shit
- He then left to go to the frog village and mastered sage mode and his
rasengshuriken.
- He returned and fought and defeated Pain.
- Had a breather from his epic battle and also helped konoha rebuild.
- Bouted with the lightning nin, then allowed himself to get the shit kicked out of
him by that karui chick or what ever her name is.
- Hauled ass to the iron country to try and convince Raikage not to kill Sasuke.
- Started heading back slowly, feeling defeated, and holes up at an inn.
- Is then approached by Madara and conversation ensues.
- Decides he needs to train a bit (extending the duration of sage mode).
- Is immediately interrupted by Sakura who lies to him saying she loves him.
- Bides his time and waits for yamato to fall asleep before going to rescue
Sakura and Kakashi from Sasuke.
- Has his little thing with Sasuke where he decides to fight sasuke to stop him.
- Heads back to Konoha with the intention of training. cant train on the way back
because he got poisoned my Sakuras kunai.
- In konoha he is summoned to get his future told by the old sage. Telling him to
seek out Bee
- Is immediately sent to the island where he is at now, where he is being taught
to control the kyuubi.

I suppose he could have tried to train on that journey to learn new things but you have to think of someones train of mind. He is fixated on finding Bee asap and controling the kyuubi. This is a huge high for naruto because he has been affected by the kyuubi his whole life and to finally get control over it is HUGE.
Another reason why he didnt or couldnt have trained on the journey is because they are ordered to hurry to lightning village with all speed. Why cant he train on the boat ride??? Anxiety... Or if he did think about learning new moves, consider his past training sessions. Rasenshuriken training... The boat would sink... from naruto constantly miscalculating.

ALL IN ALL, NARUTO HAS BEEN A VERY BUSY BOY. He has barely had a break. Dont forget he is still just a Genin, and isnt being trained. He didnt learn anything in school because he was a little shit. So if the class was taught how to make new moves then he wasnt paying attention to knowthe first thing about creating a new jutsu with seals and all. something that we all know he doesnt really have a talent for anyway because his chakra control is shot.
Jiraiya never concentrated on teaching Naruto a whole arsenal of new jutsu because naruto wasnt strong enough at the time. Jiraiya concentrated on self defence mainly. Under Jiraiya naruto improved his taijutsu, Genjutsu expulsion, Oodama rasengan. And using the Kyuubis chakra which was very apparent after time skip

Another thing that isnt considered is Kyuubis chakra and the affect it is having on narutos chakra and concentration. With narutos seal, kyuubis chakra is/was (now that the seal is removed) constantly leaking between the bars and mixing with narutos. Along with that chakra is Kyuubis will. The seal was never designed to separate kyuubis will from the chakra otherwise he probably would have been able to seal all of kyuubi into naruto and not just the good half of kyuubis chakra. The technique the 4th used on kyuubi (cant remember its name) is not fully understood, even by the 3rd whom the technique was given to. Kyuubis chakra, as little as it may be is affecting narutos control. Remember in the forest of death in the chuunin exams when orochi did that 5 bar seal on narutos kyuubi seal. After that naruto was having great difficulty molding chakra even his own. This was really evident when he was being trained by ebisu to walk on water. after Jiraiya removed the seal that orochi put on, naruto had no trouble with walking on water.
Maybe after naruto learns to control the kyuubi, all his handicaps will be removed.
Thinking back to when orochi put that 5 bar seal on naruto and naruto couldnt mold his chakra very good... This of what might happen to narutos ability of Kyuubis chakra was removed completely. I'm guessing Naruto would end up being a diminished ninja. Ending up being like Lee - unable to mold chakra. Having to rely on his sage mode forever. Having to finish a fight in 5 mins or he is dead.

On another note, i am constantly being torn between whether Juubi will be completed or not and whether it will be the half of kyuubi in naruto that will be taken out or whether Juubi will be prevented to coming back
OMFG i just thought of something - KABUTOMARUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU
KABUTOMARU COULD DO EDO TENSEI AND SUMMON THE 4TH!!!!! That should be able to give them access to the other half of the kyuubi.
I doubt that Naruto's kyuubi will be taken because that would mean that sasuke would defeat naruto once again and i dont think the manga will be going on that long - to the point where there will be another rematch.
Maybe both halfs of kyuubis chakra need to be extracted for Juubi to come back
Maybe because naruto only has half of kyuubis chakra that he will survive the extraction process if that ever happens...

Well i hope you enjoyed my 10cents. There is GRADE A stuff here if i may say so myself :P enjoy

Sorry man, based on the length of your post alone I'm sure you managed to sum up everything that is to come in Naruto in addition to proving the existence of God and working out a strategy for lasting peace in the Middle East... but I am WAY too lazy to read it.

[tkdtiger]

Is it impossible to have more than one contract? I don't remember it stating you couldn't have more than one summoning. In fact doesn't Kakashi summon multiple dogs...Or did you mean you can't have more than one type of summon...i.e. you can summon multiple dogs, but can't summon a cat...lol

Kushina does look a little weird..almost like she's in a trance...

[Rurik]

Originally Posted by tkdtiger

Is it impossible to have more than one contract? I don't remember it stating you couldn't have more than one summoning. In fact doesn't Kakashi summon multiple dogs...Or did you mean you can't have more than one type of summon...i.e. you can summon multiple dogs, but can't summon a cat...lol ..

Sasuke Summoned Snakes and Birds... I really don’t think there is a clause of exclusivity in animal summons. (hey more than one person can have the same animal contract, why not the same for a person having different contracts?)

[ragnos007]

Originally Posted by tkdtiger

Is it impossible to have more than one contract? I don't remember it stating you couldn't have more than one summoning. In fact doesn't Kakashi summon multiple dogs...Or did you mean you can't have more than one type of summon...i.e. you can summon multiple dogs, but can't summon a cat...lol

Kushina does look a little weird..almost like she's in a trance...

Exactly you cant have contracts with 2 different types of animals so yeah you can summon multiple dogs, but can't summon a cat when you have a contract with the dogs. So for Sasuke to have summoned the Hawk he must have gotten rid of his contract with the snakes.
Although i doubt it will matter much to hiim but i wonder how Kabutomaru feels about the loss of Manda. I wonder what snake will take the head honcho position, if there is one (manda might have eaten all rivals)

[ragnos007]

Originally Posted by Emilis

Sorry man, based on the length of your post alone I'm sure you managed to sum up everything that is to come in Naruto in addition to proving the existence of God and working out a strategy for lasting peace in the Middle East... but I am WAY too lazy to read it.

awww come on. Its not that long.
James what do you think of the what i said? do you agree with any of it? tell me what you think

[Kanon]

I do think this is the "real" Kushina. He's already got a fox, a crow, a toad and his dad inside him, might as well have his mother too. The more the merrier. At this rate, we might even see his grandparents in a few chapters...

I wonder what will be Naruto's reaction next chapter after she explains the situation to him. Punch her?

[Lunarskylar]

so he's had is mom + dad inside of him for the past 16 years...

well that sums up the basis behind his ero ninjutsu quite well