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In other different shows, immortals still have a firm grasp of reality, self and where they came from, as well as either a goal or a way to derive enjoyment from life, so they can manage...but here C.C. seemed to be lacking that, and thus you could argue her insecurities and the fleeting nature of all life surrounding her are what made living meaningless to her and even led to self-perpetuating that cycle. I wouldn't say she "desires" solitude willingly, but that's how it ends up looking like. Think about it this way: if all you have is an eternal "today", no real future and a fading past...time erases all things, and dying may begin to look like a way to escape, but if immortality is no longer a concern life gains its proper value back. |
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That does not make sense when put in context with the Nun, or maybe to me it does not. Due to their mutual desires we can likely assume that they suffered similar fates, C.C. and the Nun (as I doubt the Nun's desire had always been to die). There has to have been a reason for her to seek her death if the code's transfer would simply free her from immortality. In fact, any immortal seeking freedom through the death from the code, would raise flags to this idea. If the value of life is to simply return once the code is gone, then none would have to seek death, they'd have to seek losing the code and then their lives would return to normal. Putting this into context that they sought death, not just the loss of the code, something is clearly missing from the equation to explain why they sought death and not simply code loss. V.V.'s strange talk before dying may hold the answer to this.
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But then again, we can't invade into their head.
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2008-09-18, 15:36 | Link #2745 | |
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But I guess we just view the things in different light
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2008-09-18, 15:48 | Link #2747 | ||
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They assume that their life won't change at all after the immortality has been taken away, as they don't remember how living was before immortality. Hence they rather die than continue the strugling. - They won't forget the recent centuries of living in solitude, and they forecast that it'll be the same even if the code has been taken hence they rather die. (Their minds have been corrupted by immortality in a sense) Some people value the death as an escape from torture(solitude in this case) far more than the life itself. I rest my case
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I was speaking of C.C.'s particular case, which is different enough by this point in R2, considering everything that has happened to her to date. That was implicit in my writing, though admittedly lacked elaboration. My answer would be that C.C. sought death, and not just the removal of the Code and its apparently associated memory loss, for most of her life because it all became meaningless to her, to the point that death would be a viable exit....but that has now changed, or could presumably change at least, because of Lelouch. If you want to make things simple, his existence and his relationship to C.C., now that he has all the necessary information about her past/wish and she knows that he does, may make her realize the value of life when the time for Code transfer comes, as opposed to what applied to immortals in general or even to C.C. herself, in the absence of a similar element. Of course, this is all just my opinion, not fact, and things may turn out very differently. |
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As this does not address my other point, though, as to why C.C.'s contract has always seemingly been about dying. From what she said in Season 2 Episode 15, every one of her contractors was given the same contract and all of them failed. It would make no sense for her to say what she did if she had given out different contracts. So, again, I ask why she didn't give the contract of: "Take my code and build me a nice house in Australia." Look at Marianne and Charles, even, she considered them friends, but her contract was the same with Marianne. There were people who would give her life a reason to exist in the past after losing her code, but her contract has always been one and the same. Quote:
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2008-09-18, 16:02 | Link #2750 | |
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Then again, it depends how she defines the term friend. And name even a single person that gave her a reason/resolve to exist that is different from death.(before Lelouch that is) And the answer for the rest of your post you should know.
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2008-09-18, 16:03 | Link #2751 | |
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I hope you are joking. So she should make a contract to be loved? How would that any different than what her geass did to her? She wants real love. It can't be gained through contract. She thinks its impossible to gain it anymore, so she wants to die. She is tired of living pointlessly. And Marianne and Charles wanted her code - even if she died. How are they her real firends? Lelouch unlike them saw through her and realised she that really didn't want to die at all. |
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2008-09-18, 16:06 | Link #2753 | |
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I also assume all her contracts were the same as Lelouch's (Code transfer and death), because she had no reason to feel attached to life by the time she started making them. I don't see how we can say she automatically started seeking death contracts from day one. We don't have enough information yet, but I imagine that it took her some time to realize what her situation was leading to (nothing, a life without meaning), over the decades and centuries of her existence. We also don't know if she really knew everything about her own powers at first. In contrast, V.V. didn't seem in a hurry to die, even if he considered staying immortal (in a child's body, no less) a curse, and had a set goal in mind through his own contract with Charles, which didn't involve death. But all that may have already changed now or will change shortly in C.C.'s case. It doesn't seem that C.C. developed a similar relationship with those earlier contractors nor that they understood C.C.'s actual situation, instead of being led around and staying ignorant like Lelouch was for most of his contract's duration. I don't think anyone else gave her, or could, a reason to live without knowing both the real terms of the contract and what she really wanted, deep down, to give her life the meaning it lacked. Not Mao's childish devotion, which C.C. may have cared about too much to make him suffer immortality via Code transfer, and not Marianne who was quickly taken out and was part of the entire Ragnarok Connection tangent anyways. |
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2008-09-18, 16:11 | Link #2754 | |
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And she left Marianne and Charles and the cult. Marianne even tells in the same episode that she tried to convince her and when it failed they used Lelouch. How are they her friends? |
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2008-09-18, 16:19 | Link #2757 | |
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2008-09-18, 16:20 | Link #2758 | |
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C.C.: "Ok, my life sucks because of this code. My contract should be for them to take it away and let me live my life the way I want." |
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She didn't realize it untill it was too late, or atleast it appears so, or maybe there wasn't anyone to take the code away from her/make contract with her, untill it was too late. We don't posses the knowledge over her past to this extent, but if her contract has always been about dying, I would assume that she was tortured for decades and she lost the will to live or something similar. (as the religion turned against her)
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