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2006-01-26, 07:45 | Link #465 |
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Also, to add to the list: Destroy "gundam" was introduced to be a *ultimate super robot*. It gave Shin and co trouble, yet a few episodes later, they became as easy as pie(ie. beam sword folder) to Shin and co. What the heck...?
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i wonder if thats the reason why Eidolon Sniper thinks it was explained how shinn had gotten to that level whereas kira had non Rofl i think he missed Gundam Seed ...and went straight to watching Destiny
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the worst thing about gsd was the rehashed suits and stuff.
strike freedom(stock footage)=freedom which ripedoff alot of suits. infinite justice=justice legend=providence neo genesis=genesis destiny gundam= v2 gundam(easy to miss) saviour gundam=zeta gundam zaku warrior=zaku gouf ignited= gouf dom trooper= dom here's how shinn became a god moder (shinn in destiny gundam fighting a bunch of windams) shinn's thoughts:man i'm so sick of all theese bastards coming wave after wave. (takes a bunch of them out) random e.a.grunt: what the hell is that thing! (shots at shinn) (shinn blocks then kills the grunt with his cannon) another grunt: (to another grunt)steve let's get out of here! steve: right joe. (shinn kills joe) steve:joe! (shinn stops right in front of steve) steve:my god... (shinn kills steve with his mobile suit's fist) Last edited by dom33; 2006-01-31 at 18:05. |
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Shinn at least had scrapes and troubles with Impulse, and it was shown constantly that he was actually getting better at each MS scramble or whatever. Unlike GOD Kira who just appears out of nowhere and does that ridiculous beam spam all over the place... Quote:
Shinn almost had Destroy down with Impulse on Destroy's first run, why can't he do it with Destiny, which is undoubtedly a GODlier suit than Impulse?
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2006-01-26, 13:05 | Link #470 | |
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But then you'll say that Kira was plot-deviced to make the Destroy look stronger, or that Shinn was plot-deviced to be stronger so he could get in the hit that Kira never got. (since the only times Kira hit the Destroy was when Stellar was losing/lost control of herself, the first right after when Stellar thought Neo was killed, and the second being when Stellar just totally snapped) Then that'll lead to more debating about plot-devices and stuff, so let's just bypass all that and move on now. But from the material in PHASE 32, disregarding whatever plot-devicing there is, Shinn did much better than Kira in that fight. Kira's own rise to GOD-dom is in itself a plot device anyway, since grunts lose all maneuvering/evasive ability against him, even in GSEED. And the plot-devicing against ace pilots fighting Kira in GSD...nope. I'm gonna stop myself there. That horse has been beaten to a pulp.
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and lets not forget how kira/Freedom lost to shinn in Ep 34 against Freedom.. he had impulse Fart on Freedom wings Rofl..is that what your trying to say how on each battle shinn was getting better and better? Rofl god i still remember the battle in ep 38.. that Destiny Sword sure stretch Rofl atleast enough to cut Destroy in 1/2 Rofl.. he should teach me that move Quote:
Freedom/alaska/he used it 3 times at the Orb battle/1-eternal/lacus/Asuran while taking eternal/2-3 times at the mendel Colony/2times at the final battle should i also count the times he used FReedom in GSD? Destiny was used- 1 when he took down asuran gouf/1-at heaven base/ 1 ORB/ another 1 while taking down Jibril toy/dead of Jibril and for last..the last episode i'm also pretty sure kira used Strike alot more than shinn could ever had with impulse...and he show a hard time with grunts in the first 1/2 of Gundam seed unlike your shinn that started owning 30 MS all by himself lets not forget the poor ships in Ep 12 LOL.. this makes me wonder whos the God like character here... iver never seen kira take down that much Mobile suits and ships he should learn from shinn
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2006-01-26, 13:38 | Link #472 |
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Shinn was an extremely willing pilot who'd had extensive anti-ship, anti-plane and anti-MS training, not someone who'd never even been in an MS before, and certainly didn't want to be there.
Besides, most of what Kira did to Destroy was to fire at long range at it with beams, his speciality, against which Destroy's multiple light shields are particularly effective. Shinn got up close before attacking, faster than the pilot could react and turn on the shields. Shinn's tactics were more suited to the enemy than Kira's were - plot device or no plot device. How many Destroys were exploded at long-range? Also, Freedom was quite different in terms of MS than Strike, whereas Destiny is just a faster, harder hitting Impulse, and probably really similar to Impulse anyway, as it was built for Shinn. So Kira was practically learning a whole new suit. Rofl. |
2006-01-26, 13:44 | Link #473 | |
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well in that same Ep kira try to attack the destroy with the beam saber.... and what did he get? a beam shield Rofl... i wonder what happen to those beam shield when impulse went in for attack rofl stellar forgot toturn them on Rofl coughplotdevicecough i feel sorry for the Earth Forces it was always a 1sid battle with the minerva crew atleast in GS they owned ORB
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2006-01-26, 14:02 | Link #474 |
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I'm sure there's something in Kira's approach vs. Shinn's approach that we can pick apart, say Kira's leisurely curve toward, across and away from Destroy against Shinn's flight directly at it; or Stellar's reaction to the 'big, bad' Freedom as opposed to the familiar and less threatening Impulse, but I'm pretty sure it's all metaphysical now, anyway.
I felt Shinn did better than Freedom against Destroy, and I don't care about these plot devices you speak of. Where does it say Freedom had to kill every mobile suit in the series? |
2006-01-27, 05:13 | Link #475 |
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humm.. i haven't read the whole thread about shin vs kira.. but I personally see their fight in a more metaphoric way rathering just seeing it as whose skill is better that who. Like most Gundam fights, I see it more as a battle of will rather than a battle of skill...
For Kira, I see him as the kind of pilot who have achieve a sense of direction in GSD. We can stay that his will to fight is driven by his determination to protect Lacus and Cagalli (?). He has found his "path" to fight the war (dismantling rather than killing).. so in a sense he has a resolve and thus can focus w/ being distract/confused by emotions (which we used to see a lot in SEED).. hence it reflects his fighting style which use long distances attacks that require a lot of timing/focus/waiting (aiming)... It also seems like he rather like to avoid melee if possible.. perhaps because of his ability to be able to sense things lol >.>; like Rau and Rey... To me, the two years that he spend thinking about the war gave him a sense of inner peace... this peace allows him to find a resolve and the path/direction he as a pilot wants to take.. this steel his will and make him a pilot of fewer weakness... In contrast, Shinn is a pilot that is motivated by rage. He fight on instincts and his moves are a direct expression of his anger. It seems natural then that he prefer melee since he can just unleash himself. This makes his power fickles from time to time.. as we see, when at the peak of his anger, he can defeat Kira (i believe that battle is right after Stella is killed by Kira)... but once he lost that anger, and try to protect (?) Luna (?) he seems to lose all his flare... |
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Shinn was a more capable pilot than Kira because, he's not using the GODly plot device, he was actually human (he gets hits and misses and he doesn't get out of a battle scratch free all the time and he actually gets pushed to the point wherein one measly mistake could cost him his life or the Minerva's), and he actually used the capabilities of his Gundam to the point that he was actually good in Impulse not just because he's the show's main hero. Quote:
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Given these...um..."many" times Kira used Freedom, it still does NOT mean that Kira has an actual right to becoming the GOD of CE. How was Kira good in Freedom anyway? All he'll do is push one little button and everybody on the battlefield goes "disabled" and "boom", without even using strategy for the part; I mean, his aimbots are all fired up and ready to go with just a push of a button...how does that equate to being a "good" pilot? If Kira was good a pilot, his days with the Strike should be the thing that describes this praise or comment or whatever. Strike + Fllay, and you get something very kickass like the Strike VS BuCUES which required strategy or whatever thinking on his part to be able to pull off something as awesome as that. Kira didn't get to fight BuCUES before, moreso in their home turf, and yet he showed skill worthy of somebody to be called as a Gundam main hero. When he received Freedom, his skills were replaced by rainbow spam. Kira's skills with the Strike were nerfed halfway because he got a new toy to play with. If Kira was allowed to "grow old" with his unit, before it could be done off in a rather spectacular manner that would mean that he has to get a new suit (meaning that he has reached the plane wherein the Kira + Strike tandem is actually a force to be reckoned with, not just because he's the show's main hero), then his title as the GOD of CE wouldn't sound too evil, because he earned that title and he deserves it. And BTW I'm only asking how many times Kira used it in GS and this does not include GSD. Quote:
And so going by this Kira Freedom is just as GODly as Shinn Destiny as you're trying to say (or Shinn is even GODlier), you forgot that the Destiny was designed specifically with Shinn Asuka in mind whereas the Freedom was designed for another Coordinator pilot, and NOT Kira Yamato. Even if it says that Strike Freedom was especially made for Kira by Lacus, it still leaves a bad taste in the mouth, because how in the world would Kira know how to use Super DRAGOONs down pat going through a battle only ONCE... Quote:
Shinn also had a hard time dealing with real fights first eps, he was always saying that "ARRRGGGHHH why is it like this this isn't like TRAINING " and Lunamaria was actually worried because she didn't get good scores in a certain test or whatever...normal things new soldiers would say when they're right smack in the middle of their earlier battle/melees. So you still call this GODly of Shinn?
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here's what sniper-sensei is saying shortend.
how freedom earned it's rep. (at alaska or whatever)(don't remember or care) (kira activates aimbot)(presses fire button) (it disables all enemy suits) kira: cool now everyone else on the show and the fans will think i used great skills to win! as for the destroy thing (kira fires the rainbow beams at destroy) (destroy blocks) kira: what the? but when i press the fire button the enemy is destroyed or disabled!(he fires the rainbow beams several times) (destroy blocks) stellar: (she has an annoyed expression on her face) dosn't he realize that's not working? (shinn arrives)(he sees what kira is doing) shinn: dosen't he realize that's not working? (he attacks it effectivly) kira: how'd he do that?(fires the rainbow beams again still dosen't work) understand? |
2006-01-28, 17:43 | Link #478 |
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Hiya guys. Just finished Destiny last night, and I must say I agree with most things said. I was very disappointed at where they took some of the characters. Also how they seemed to make you think the show was about Shinn, and Stella, when they served no real purpose. I dunno it was just no Gundam Seed that is for sure.
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I mean, when it comes down to it, Shinn should have probably spent most of the series saying "ARRRGGGHHH why is it like this this isn't like TRAINING"... I mean, he went from weak ace to demi-god ace in just a few short battles... Shinn may have gotten high scores in the academy, and is considered an Ace, but he is still facing pilots who are FAR more experienced then he is... They may be Naturals, but their experience would definatly count for something; especially when we know how strong a natural can get, from examples like Mwu and Natural aces from Astray mangas... shooting down 30 windams like Shinn did should have probably been impossible for him to pull off... Sure the desperate situation would give him the motivation to fight harder, but just because you got the motivation doesn't mean you got the skills to back it up... So ya, i would still Shinn is pretty godly... though not NEARLY as godly as Kira... Kira has had plot device protection ever since he first left Heliopolis... and then got godly when he switched to freedom... bah, but everyone knows that grunts are nerfed speciaffically to make the heros look cool... |
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Shin plain and simple caused the downfall of GSD more or less. If they didn't spend 38 episodes with "ARGHHHHHHHHHHHH" "ME ANGRY" "ME SMASH MUBLIE SIUTE" "ME NO LIKE ORB" "ARGHHHHHHHHHH", it would've been much better. The least they could've done was to at least develop his character but nope he doesn't change, even after being owned, he still doesn't learn the errors of his ways, he was actually depressed that ORB wasn't destroyed. Plus they could've NOT make Shin a retarded idiot (and a sister complex) that blames everyone around him for his faults.
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