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and revenge for euphie was just one thing he wanted he wanted to be the KoO to achive change from within the system and that would have been at his reach and i want to make this clear i dont think that suzaku's actions are dumb i think the plot was dumb to allow such actions since that was a complete 18 from what they had been building for all the season
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2008-10-15, 14:44 | Link #7702 | |
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@Rising Dragon I'm more inclined to believe that clearing her name was his top priority at that point. |
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2008-10-15, 14:46 | Link #7704 | |
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now he was (to the point of killing the emp inorder to achive it)
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2008-10-15, 14:47 | Link #7705 | |
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2008-10-15, 14:50 | Link #7707 | |
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he was still trying to be the KoO just for a different emperor (a man who has as much of a right to the throne as charles)
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2008-10-15, 14:55 | Link #7708 | |
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After FLEIJA, he said "Fuck it" and went to kill the emperor, because instead of just changing the system, he'd just get Japan out of their hands. Fuck showing people how its done properly, fuck changing the system, just get it done as soon as possible. In other words, how Lelouch would have done it.
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2008-10-15, 14:59 | Link #7709 | |
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and his becoming the KoO after ep 19 would have resulted in the same thing as him becoming the KoO before that lelouch wouldnt have done it that way he would have taken it by force (as he had tried to do as zero)
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2008-10-15, 15:21 | Link #7710 |
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Well technically he did change the system just not from with in. He stood up for Lelouch because Shirley and Euphie understood that he was fighting for everyone's happiness, everyone's justice but his means did would not create that end which is why he was still willing to kill him for Euphie's murder. He was against Lelouch because he sought the total destruction of Britannia, making the people who were forced to follow along with the corrupt villains' schemes look like villains or accomplices. People like Nunally, governors who are innocent of wrongdoing but affiliated with the evil empire non the less would be seen as criminals and hated through out the entire world. Hate would still be there, prejudice would still be there, and there would still be no justice. That's the problem with taking it by force, whoever wins is the good guy and whoever loses is the bad guy. Yet Lelouch refuses to conform to the system, even if it could be redeemed because that would be like giving approval to the Empire for its past transgressions. Thus they had to find a common ground where no lines could be drawn and everybody could be on the side of justice. If your saying the Zero Requiem plan was wrong and they should have continued it Lelouch's way then I'd have to disagree.
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2008-10-15, 15:23 | Link #7711 | |
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And in a way, the result is the same. Both would've taken it by force, and Suzaku going to kill the Emperor is taking it by force. Its no different from what Lelouch would've done.
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2008-10-15, 15:53 | Link #7712 |
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Lol Yeah I think both their ways were a little hypocritical and the same at the same time the same. Suzaku's way totally gave the Britannians a free pass to act like an asshole and would be too complacent in his naive belief that the rest of the people in power would automatically change because he was a good role model. You have to take action to root out corruption. Lelouch's way would be equally ineffective. Using lies and betrayals are contradictions of what they stand for and him leading the whole thing to route out corruption would eventually lead to constant war and fighting since people would eventually rebel against Lelouch as well since if they conform to his forced justice it would be condoning his past transgressions to bring about peace in which he'd be no different than the Britannians.
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2008-10-15, 15:54 | Link #7713 | |
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2008-10-15, 16:33 | Link #7715 | |
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This is where I got the SAR high autonomy idea from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special...ee_of_autonomy |
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2008-10-15, 18:03 | Link #7718 | |
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In the novels though, it's expanded upon. Basically, any member of the royal family can give up their birthright in return for a universal pardon, basically a get out of jail free card. And that's what Euphemia traded her birthright for. A pardon for Zero for his crimes against Britannia, even his murder of Clovis. This is why Lelouch was so touched by the gesture, especially when she added that she did it for Nunnally's sake, so that the two of them wouldn't be seperated. Of course, this was never honored as it was a secret that would be announced in a few days, and then well... the incident that happened shortly after put an end to that deal. This is also why Cornelia was so furious with Euphemia. She didn't approve of the SAR, but it was pardoning their brother's murderer that really set her off. |
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