The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya - Episode 15 Discussion / Poll [2009 added ep. 5]

[Nudvik]

You know what pisses me off the most? That it's such a fantastic adaptation when they actually want it to be.
We could've been treated to a wonderful new season of Haruhi, filled with brilliant and entertaining episodes. When they decided to fuck around at the end of the second episode, they harmed that. At this point, it's completely and utterly ruined.

[Roger Rambo]

That doesn't really make sense. I mean, making 5 episodes for an animated TV show isn't cheap. You're only gonna do it if you think it's gonna make you money. Since Kyo Ani doesn't get much (if any) money for simply airing the episode (since they have to buy airtime) their sole source of profit coming directly from the episode is DVD sales.

Why would Kyoani produce five episodes that didn't give them any money?

[CrowKenobi]

Originally Posted by Ithekro

Wow...one wonders how people will take "Koi no Mikuru Densetsu" this time around.

Good point. If people are crabbing about the repetition, then they'll crab about the poor animation of the episode...

[Tyabann]

Originally Posted by jonli

Is it possible for them to have lied? Along with the broadcast station?

Or is it against the law for the TV broadcast schedule to be fake?

Genuine question, not sarcasm @_@

I'm pretty sure printing false information is illegal, yeah, unless you print some kind of retraction.

We never got official confirmation, though, so it could be as long as they want it to be.

Originally Posted by Nudvik

You know what pisses me off the most? That it's such a fantastic adaptation when they actually want it to be.
We could've been treated to a wonderful new season of Haruhi, filled with brilliant and entertaining episodes. When they decided to fuck around at the end of the second episode, they harmed that. At this point, it's completely and utterly ruined.

RUINED FOREVER

Seriously though, it really could have been great if they weren't doing this. But they are.

It's gloriously amusing now.

Originally Posted by Roger Rambo

Why would Kyoani produce five episodes that didn't give them any money?

And that is the question that will bother the fandom for all eternity.

[Nudvik]

Originally Posted by relentlessflame

Apparently it was foolish to expect more than the whiny ragefest that is this thread. If all you're going to do is simply pile into the whaaambulance, spare us all another refresh.

Btw, are you claiming that rage is unjustified at this? That we should just lap up all the bullshit thrown our way? Accept that we're not going to see stories adapted simply because they wanted to play silly buggers?

I'd honestly love to hear your reasoning as to why.

[Dakota]

Originally Posted by jonli

Is it possible for them to have lied? Along with the broadcast station?

Or is it against the law for the TV broadcast schedule to be fake?

Genuine question, not sarcasm @_@

Hey, ma if you could see me now
arms spread wide on the starboard bow
gonna fly this boat to the moon somehow
like Kevin Garnett, anything is possible

Originally Posted by Kaisos Erranon

I'm pretty sure printing false information is illegal, yeah, unless you print some kind of retraction.

See: Freedom of The Press

[relentlessflame]

Originally Posted by Roger Rambo

That doesn't really make sense. I mean, making 5 episodes for an animated TV show isn't cheap. You're only gonna do it if you think it's gonna make you money. Since Kyo Ani doesn't get much (if any) money for simply airing the episode (since they have to buy airtime) their sole source of profit coming directly from the episode is DVD sales.

Why would Kyoani produce five episodes that didn't give them any money?

Because Kadokawa and the Production Committee are the ones funding the anime, not Kyoto Animation specifically. The Production Committee pays for the airtime, pays Kyoto Animation to do the animation work, and handles all the merchandising. Kyoto Animation may get a portion of the proceeds of each sale, but they get paid something for their work regardless. So it's the producer/publisher that absorbs more of the risk, and so if they tell Kyoto Animation "we want to order <x> episodes of Endless Eight", the studio basically says "okay, whatever you say, boss..." (Perhaps not in those exact words. )

Originally Posted by Nudvik

Btw, are you claiming that rage is unjustified at this? That we should just lap up all the bullshit thrown our way? Accept that we're not going to see stories adapted simply because they wanted to play silly buggers?

I'd honestly love to hear your reasoning as to why.

I don't mind that people express their discontentment, obviously. What annoys me is that certain posters feel they must reply to every single post and express the same rage endlessly over and over and over again. Maybe there's a certain irony in this given the content of these episodes, but it's no less annoying here than it ostensibly is in the show. All the surface-level rage stuff does is just encourage more of the same endless whining, particularly when it's the same people who tell us over and over again that they're through with the show in so many different ways. At least if people could come up with something new to say...

[Ithekro]

One wonders when they animated all these episodes. If they've been doing these since 2006, just having different groups do them on their down time between Kanon, Lucky Star, Clannad, Munto, and K-On. Sort of the "keep the artists in practise for Haruhi" episode. While they'd still have to pay for the screen time, they might have gotten the work "cheap" due to it being made over a considerable period of time.

Not that is makes a whole lot of sense, but it would explain a few things about why there are so many versions of this episode and why it is animated differently.

[CrowKenobi]

And explains why they reused the clouds from "Clannad After Story..."

EDIT: That would episode 12 of After Story...

[wittyusername]

Originally Posted by Roger Rambo

Why would Kyoani produce five episodes that didn't give them any money?

Maybe they're trying for another plot-related symbolism(ish) thing? They already did the "three years ago" thing, and now they might be trying to produce something with the same effect.

The three years gave everyone time to speculate and make fan-made things, though. That was okay. This is just getting on my nerves.

EDIT: 'Kay, nevermind, I'm wrong. Whatever.

[Tyabann]

Originally Posted by Ithekro

Not that is makes a whole lot of sense, but it would explain a few things about why there are so many versions of this episode and why is animated differently.

Hmm, I wonder. Seems like an interesting theory, but, still, WHY?

[Roger Rambo]

Originally Posted by CrowKenobi

Why? Except for the same story, all the animation is different for each episode...

<shrugs shoulders>

Because it's nearly two hours of the same plot line played out exaclty the same way over and over again. Although the animation is all different, it really varies in quality. Episode 3 was great, but allot of the other episodes were kinda mediocre compared to it.

The endless 8 episodes are likely to end up like the meat from some bizarre and strange animal that nobody would ever want to eat. Blended together with more edible looking meat and smashed into hamburgers.

Originally Posted by relentlessflame

Because Kadokawa and the Production Committee are the ones funding the anime, not Kyoto Animation specifically. The Production Committee pays for the airtime, pays Kyoto Animation to do the animation work, and handles all the merchandising. Kyoto Animation may get a portion of the proceeds of each sale, but they get paid something for their work regardless. So it's the producer/publisher that absorbs more of the risk, and so if they tell Kyoto Animation "we want to order <x> episodes of Endless Eight", the studio basically says "okay, whatever you say, boss..." (Perhaps not in those exact words. )

Alright. But the point still stands that regardless of who's the one who orders the X quantity of Endless 8, Someone has to invest money into all these endlesss 8 episodes. And it seems to me that they're washing it down the drain.

[Heminga13]

Originally Posted by CrowKenobi

And explains why they reused the clouds from "Clannad After Story..."

Hmm, I've never watched Clannad, but the focus on clouds (and planes) in this one seemed interesting. Not sure why they did.

[jonli]

Well if it was never confirmed officially, then it's just a lie.

And E8 being 6 episodes is nothing to be afraid of.

[Takamura Mamoru]

It doesn't make sense in terms of marketing, it doesn't make sense in terms of writing, it doesn't make sense in terms of creating hype.

They lose money, they make themselves hated and there's no reason to do it.
They even spend money on animating every episode new.

It makes no sense at all. The only conclusion you can draw is that they're doing it purely to be jerkasses and laugh their asses off.

Which makes me really confused because they did the first Season with so much love. Honestly, I've rarely ever watched an adaption that was so detailed and well-made, I mean really really well-made from a technical and narrative point of view. That's another thing I don't get.

Why make the first Season with so much love only to give us the finger after that?

Something has gone utterly wrong here. I realize it isn't KyoAni's fault really, I just wonder what exactly happened.

As said again and again, it did have potential. A lot. Season 2 was not so anticipated just because "we want more". It was because many people read the novels and realized how damn awesome the plot of Disappearance is.
So yeah, it's kinda like if Hollywood adapts a good thing and turns it into crap.

[Roger Rambo]

Originally Posted by jonli

Well if it was never confirmed officially, then it's just a lie.

And E8 being 6 episodes is nothing to be afraid of.

At this point it wouldn't surprise me.

Originally Posted by Takamura Mamoru

*snip*

I'm not really butt hurt about this whole course of action, but it certainly leaves me perplexed.



It's like all the corporate management have been turned into stock Saturday morning cartoon villains who invest billions in R&D to build an army of giant robots so they can hold the world ransom for millions.

[aulzon]

It makes no sense at all. The only conclusion you can draw is that they're doing it purely to be jerkasses and laugh their asses off.

It could be a lot like "Smells Like Teen Spirit" syndrome.

[jonli]

I have come to the conclusion that I have faith in this adaptation.

AND SO SHOULD YOU ALL.

Let's pray hard and strong that disappearance would be done justice.

Kyoto Animation has yet to fail me! HAS IT FAIL ANYONE!?! (I haven't seen Key adaptations, but everything I've seen from them so far are awesome).

[Solachinx]

Let's see: if there are 6 episodes of E8, that would make 7 episodes of the second cour. That leaves about 7 episodes for the rest. So, if they're doing what I think they're doing and saving Disappearance for next season, Sigh will be REALLY stretched unless they do more anime originals or Haruhi Theatre.

[Tyabann]

Originally Posted by Takamura Mamoru

It makes no sense at all. The only conclusion you can draw is that they're doing it purely to be jerkasses and laugh their asses off.

Two possibilities exist: Either they'll end this season unceremoniously and that'll be the only conclusion we can come to, or they'll do something incredible that explains everything and we'll be all "...oh".

I'd like to hope for the latter.