2013-04-17, 03:24 | Link #241 |
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No. Just no... he clearly died at the end of ch 606. The second Obito returned after the Rin manipulation, Madara knew he had him on his side and that he could die knowing Obito would follow his lead. Then he died and let Obito become the new 'Madara'
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2013-04-17, 15:04 | Link #244 |
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So...
They left her in a cave with Kabuto. ...When has ever leaving a defenseless Anko with a crazy Kabuto ever ended well? Sure he lost a lot of power but Anko has been beaten up for quite awhile. |
2013-04-17, 23:26 | Link #246 |
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I really hope we don't see Kabuto again. I hate the character. He's always been an overconfident prick, even against opponents who clearly outmatch him. Not to mention his twisted (almost gay) obsession with Orochimaru makes me barf.
His backstory has been told, he played his part in the war, we know everything there is to know about him, now please let him die.
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2013-04-18, 02:04 | Link #247 | |
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So i think he will save Anko and others he can, and if later these others who he even saved in the end turn against him it will be only to have Naruto another scene where he has a speech to these people to let Kabuto go. |
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2013-04-18, 15:43 | Link #249 |
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given what we know to this point how likely is it that Madara used Izanagi against hashirama and the eyes given to nagato were his real original eyes?
also im thinking, that sasuke having EMS is pretty much telling us that he will also get the rinnegan...guaranteed
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2013-04-18, 17:30 | Link #250 | |
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2013-04-18, 19:38 | Link #251 |
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That one sharingan Madara had as a old man was not his original eye tho...He had already given his eyes to Nagato at that point. He could of had 1 eye for a number of reasons...Maybe that's all he could salvage off the unfortunate Uchiha he stole it from? Who knows, as of right now it's not anymore relevant then wondering why orochimaru didn't just implant a sharingan and save himself a lot of trouble.
I doubt he used izanagi fighting hashirama, because both of his eyes were still functional for Nagato...one of them would have been useless otherwise. I think it's more likely Madara "died" in that fight much in the same way Jiraiya did against Pain, only to will himself back up. I don't think he used some method to outsmart hashi, i think he was more or less left for dead before the real final blow could be delivered. And old Madara died when he took himself off gedo life support, kishi really didn't leave that to imagination...That topic is just the result of naruto being on a break this week and ppl having nothing new to talk about. |
2013-04-18, 19:54 | Link #252 |
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transplanting eyes was never a 'new' idea into the story though. kakashi always had one, so it's not like kishi didn't think of that for orochimaru. it was always explained (even recently with kabuto) that they want the uchiha 'body'. it's much gayer that way... but apparently the body is what is needed to achieve snake sage mode
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2013-04-18, 20:02 | Link #253 |
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He had to use it because it was his plan. His plan was to make infinite tsukiyomi, for that he needed the rinnegan which also allowed him to fully read the stone tablet that talks about the 10-tails and the Gedo Mazo, and he knew well that the rinnegan is not possible without the cells of hashirama, so he had to take them. We didn't see how he took those cells but we know that Hashirama had an amazing healing ability, so we can assume that at one point he managed to hit Hashirama and then i guess Hashirama healed his wound but Madara took the opportunity to take a sample from the wound. It's more interesting how he managed to survive, if it were a genjutsu than later Hashirama and others would have discovered that it's a fake body, since he didn't have Zetsu yet. Or maybe he pulled something similar to Danzou, a seal that destroys the body, however it was not the real body, so the seal conveniently destroyed the evidence. Or the whole evidence destroying seal could be a genjutsu. Madara had the time to make a plan and the ability to execute it, the only thing he would not be able to do is to beat Hashirama.
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2013-04-18, 20:51 | Link #254 | |
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madara mentioned during his fight with the kages (when he made the wood clones) that he was the only one who could see this technique when hashirama used it...im not buying the whole: "wood clone! but when did you?!?!" act...the panel isolating his EMS then no longer seeing it is meaningful IMO...i think he manipulated the last fight series to appear that he took a mortal wound when he actually moved a liiiitttttle bit to the right lol...idk speculating...
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2013-04-18, 21:26 | Link #255 |
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Madara could have hire Kakuzu or other ninjas to obtain the cells needed as it's not like he knew stright away that he needed Hashirama cells to make the zetsu tree. Or his battles with Hashirama that he had with him could be another way he obtained his cell seeing how he could have swolled his blood with out noticing infusing their genes together until the Rinnegan activated. As for him dying it could be he did in fact used Izanagi or Rinnegan kept him alive for a while just until he connected him self to the Gedo Mazo.
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2013-04-18, 21:58 | Link #256 |
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Just because his plan was to do the infinite tsukiyomi doesn't mean his plan was to lose that fight...
Im sure madara went into that fight with every intention of killing hashirama, not getting his ass kicked and faking his death. So no...he didn't need no elaborate plan, he could have just been mistaken for dead like Jiraiya was, that seems far more logical. Btw...Madara was never after the Rinnegan, old madara said he just injected hashiramas cells in his wounds so he wouldn't die. Then he was surprised when he awakened the rinnegan later in life. So the rinnegan was never on his mind during that fight... In fact, i doubt the infinite tsukiyomi was his mission during that fight, from all the manga has put out that plan seems like a after thought for madara really. Last edited by Sasukemaru; 2013-04-19 at 10:59. |
2013-04-19, 11:15 | Link #257 |
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One of my favourite parts of the entire naruto manga was when sasuke tried to kill sakura, and it prompted the premonition that Naruto gave him "if we fight again, we will both die"
I found it to be a really mature/intriguing idea that the the manga could close out with Hokage Naruto protecting Konoha in a animus fight against his old childhood rival, and both of them dying at the end of it. I dont like happy endings (unless they involve lotion). Some of the best stories involve a bittersweet or outright tragic ending. Somehow I get the feeling (sarcasm) that Kishimoto was just using that attempted sakura murder and "well both die" line to lend weight to the pointless sasuke/naruto fights Naruto: "ILL SAVE YOU" Sasuke: "I DONT WANT TO BE SAVED" Naruto: "THEN LETS FIGHT!" Sasuke: "THATS STUPID! JUST LEAVE ME ALONE" Naruto: "NO! WE MUST FIGHT! KAGEBUNSHIN ....." ------ Kishimoto : "hmmm this logic is fail ..........wait! ... I have an idea!" (silly convoluted sasuke-itachi-revenge logic ensues) But now i'm not sure if a fight to the death will ever happen. Unless the uchiha hatred is deeper than imagined, and sasuke will flip-flop like Madara did after he made peace with Harishama. |
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But now i wonder where did Kabuto find some of Madara's cells to make the edo tensei |
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i was pointing out that madara likley only needed some of hashiramas blood we he could have taken from the conveniently exposed left arm Quote:
plus, did hashirama not care enough to at least bury his friend??? i dont know how his survival will be revealed but if he was left for dead and got up and drag that wood clone body away...grrrr
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It would make sense not burying it because either Tobirama or some enemy village would want to get an eye from it or even experiment on it to try and get some information out of it. |
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