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Perfect 10 | 29 | 32.95% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 15 | 17.05% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 7 | 7.95% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 22 | 25.00% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 3 | 3.41% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 2 | 2.27% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 2 | 2.27% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 1 | 1.14% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 2 | 2.27% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 5 | 5.68% | |
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2011-06-02, 14:49 | Link #241 | |
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On the rest, i'm stating that because it's a basic assumption there's nothing proving they are on that level, otherwise you might as well assume Raki is single digit level as there's roughly the same amount evidence. both ways. |
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2011-06-02, 14:50 | Link #242 | |
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Again, the winner of the best post is Nefnora from MH:
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2011-06-02, 14:55 | Link #243 | |
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2011-06-02, 15:00 | Link #244 | |
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Your making massive assumptions with zero proof. You can only assume he can if you have concrete proof that he is at or above that level. That is why we have things called burden of proof, as otherwise you could assume damn near anything. Such as me being a world class tennis player when I only got my ass kicked by a world class tennis player. You need other factors to actually prove my level. Say I lost to world number 1 but beat world number five that puts me at the range lower than one but higher than 5. The factors you can concretely prove the mor accurate the ranking. Last edited by Tenchi Hou Take; 2011-06-02 at 15:18. |
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2011-06-02, 15:03 | Link #245 | |
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2011-06-02, 15:23 | Link #248 | |
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I've never said Cid and Galk are at Miria's level (which would be a world class tennis player). I said you can't say they can't defeat regular youma just because they lost to a 3 times more huge youma that could stretch his fingers like Rigaldo at that. In other words, just because a tennis player got his ass kicked by a tennis player ranked #102, it wouldn't mean he was weak and couldn't defeat someone ranked #103 or even #1. In tennis it is entirely possible and it happens that top players lose to much lower ranked players. There could also be someone ranked as #500 and he could defeat #1 by taking anabolic steroids for example (and this Rabona youma was on steroids). Again, you have no arguments that show Galk or Cid can't defeat REGULAR (i.e. of their size and that can't stretch their fingers) youma. All you have is that they couldn't defeat youma on steroids which tells us the same as Galatea not being able to defeat Duph or Agatha by herself. On the other hand as I've shown Galk and Cid were moving very well for humans and were good enough for Agatha to praise them. They've also survived for all these years even after encountering such monsters. This implies they would have high chances of defeating youma. I can't be more clear than that. |
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2011-06-02, 15:38 | Link #249 | |
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Conditions such as sufficient equipment, numbers, and military training can be altered that allow men to dispatch their higher level predators. But that doesn't negate the basic idea that the hybrids hold the general advantage by naturally being stronger, faster, and more perceptive, and being therefore a preferred candidiate over any man in any situation that concerns having to deal death to demons. |
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2011-06-02, 15:42 | Link #250 | |
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There is a reason why burden of proof exists and it is to prevent unproven baseless assumptions being shown as fact which you just did. You have no other proof that he could kill a Yoma aside from getting is ass kicked with a bunch of other soldiers against a much stronger opponent. That's the problem. Unless you bring forth some other proof you can't just accept that, othewise you might as well accept a bunch of other crap too. Last edited by Tenchi Hou Take; 2011-06-02 at 15:58. |
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2011-06-02, 16:15 | Link #251 | |
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@khryoleoz men < demons < hybrids < awakened hybrids < destroyer < priscilla < theresa_of_the_faint_smile
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2011-06-02, 16:38 | Link #253 |
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anyone miss Riful yet? Things were much more interesting back then.
Anyway, I don't hate Raki, but there was just to much Raki for me. Miria vs AFs was more interesting, but we only got a glimps of that and lots of Raki. I also wanted to know about Clare, but instead I got Raki. Maybe I should become a Raki hater. lol
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2011-06-02, 16:45 | Link #255 | ||
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The new "villains" are not as charismatic as Riful or Isley since they almost had no personality,the only exception to this is Prissy,she's a great evil monster,lol. That's why i really hope that these 3 new monsters are not just uber strong but also very interesting characters (*cross fingers*). |
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2011-06-02, 16:46 | Link #256 | |
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http://mangastream.com/read/claymore/30087001/23 I'm not certain but it does seem wierd the sword looked black and why he kicked up a spear before. |
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2011-06-02, 16:52 | Link #257 | ||||
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Huge amount of reactions already. Started writing this after about 5 pages of posts.
Everyone seems to be assessing the twin's decision to fight, and manner of fighting, and the overall relative combat levels, -after- the fact rather than before. These assertions that Raki suddenly got a huge powerup to be on the level of top Claymores, etc, is hogwash, because that isn't what's being shown Consider the order of events, from the perspective of the twins: 1) Collect all trainees, and begin escape. 2) Primary goal is to avoid detection/recapture. Method: take paths that handlers wouldn't be on. Tricksy solution: simply break through the walls of rooms within the compound rather than walking through the hallways. 3) Doing this, they encounter Raki. Now, what is their assessment of Raki? -a) Male, apparently human -b) Found within a room where there shouldn't be anyone. -c) Prisoner? Not sure if they notice the cage bars, and in any case the trainees themselves have to live in similar conditions (cf: flashback of Clare in the anime). In any case, they have no way of assessing his status with respect to the Organization. Could be prisoner, could be experiment, could be an AB disguised as a human (unlikely, given yoki detection, but not impossible), could be a normal human that's loyal to the Organization, a spy that they caught, etc. -d) Need to assess status. The twins are certainly not diplomats, or even particularly talkative. However several potential evaluations could be made by simply attacking and seeing how he responds. At the same time, care must be taken in case he really is a human, so don't go all out. 4) So, initial attack by the first twin, fast enough to look real, but directed so that Raki wouldn't actually get skewered if he's normal (note the target points she hits on the wall compared to Raki's height). Light probing attacks after that as she follows his lead in the battle. His reactions indicate that he is highly skilled in swordplay, but he never actually awakens. Keeping her own combat level somewhat above his would force him to push himself hard to keep up with her. An AB pushed to that degree would move to their awakened form in order to access sufficient power to counter her threat. If he does not do that, he should be considered human (though of unknown trustworthiness). Also of particular note: Just before the second twin joined the fight, she threw a sword to the first twin. The first twin de-transformed and caught it. After that, neither of them used any shapeshifting abilities whatsoever. In other words, the second twin stayed in the background to see the results of the first twin's probes, and only joined the fight after she was satisfied with that. Further, they both wanted an answer to something else they saw during the fight. When she did join, it was purely a swordplay match in order to probe the fighting style Raki was using which seemed to resemble their own, and certainly they would never expect to have used against them by a male. They are in no way attempting to kill Raki at this point. It's at best a challenge match or a spar. Note the pose at the end of the match. There were two potentially lethal strikes (Raki's and the righthand twin) that were both stopped at the point where they can judge that one or the other should have won. They fought seriously, but not with intent to kill. This is further supported by the fact that they were using training swords that couldn't actually cut. By switching to those swords for the last half of the fight, the twins deliberately toned down the threat level. Overall evaluation: Not a disguised AB. Does not appear to act like other Organization operatives/handlers (has a different 'aura'). Interaction afterwards leaves them believing they can trust him. His skill is such that he should be better than most of the trainees (and certainly more "battle ready"), while at the same time the twins' own power would be better served on the outside battlefield than on escort duty (despite the value of such duty, it's more in line with the skills that Raki can bring to bear rather than the twins). The entire sequence of events is perfectly logical and consistent within the rules of this universe. Raki did not get a sudden power-up (though the issue with his eye color is slightly in doubt, the fact that noone saw fit to mention it implies that it's probably just a graphics blip); his skill remains at the high end of human. Also, he never jumps 30 feet in the air. I see a couple 10 foot jumps that could possibly be liberally interpreted as 15 foot, but that's it (and even that is the first impression when thinking of the twins as standard height; they're actually fairly short). 10 foot is perhaps a bit on the exaggerated side for human ability, but top athletes can hit 8 feet on high jumps, and it's much easier with the body flipping to rotate the center of balance. A little literary license and it's perfectly believable. Quote:
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2011-06-02, 16:53 | Link #258 | |
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yeah you're right. I mistook the shading in the second panel on 23 for a blade, but it is definetly round. But even if it was a spear. Accidentally it is in the second pic I posted, it has just hit the guy. That still is pretty fast. Though I have to admit with the speed from chapters back he had against the yoma this is totally possible then, the spear looks like that guy had just cought it, that would give him a few more moments to act.
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2011-06-02, 16:53 | Link #259 |
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Hmm... subjected to Clare's youki when she half-awakened, and had the Destroyer's rods & one of a Priscilla's arms in his back. Couple that with all of the little hints we've seen here and there... if he isn't normal anymore, then I don't know what to say other than Yagi is a true troll.
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