2012-04-27, 19:54 | Link #341 |
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Going to have to say that I have a tinge of disappointment after this episode. At the moment I find the infatuation between Kaoru and Ritsuko, as well as that of Sentarou and Yurika, to be relatively superficial and uninteresting to me (I echo Seiji's comments and perhaps would be even harsher), and so the quick turn towards love triangle antics comes off as melodrama to me, particularly after the grounded approach and pacing of the initial episode (which hooked me in the first place, along with the musical aspect). Just my little opinion.
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2012-04-27, 22:08 | Link #342 | |
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As for the romance angle, it's playing out more or less as I expected, though I am surprised that Ri'ko is, in fact, infatuated with Sentaro. I thought she regarded him as a childhood friend whom she enjoyed mothering. (The relevation changes significantly the way I would interpret their church session in the previous episode; it gives rise to the possibility that Ri'ko was promised to Sentaro some time in the past, and that they wear their rosaries as a symbol of that promise.) I don't find the relationships superficial. In the case of Sentaro, he's always been the impulsive free spirit. Once he got over the initial awkwardness, I can easily imagine him going all out for Yurika. As for Yurika, my reading of the situation is that she wasn't fooled for a moment who had actually "invited" her to the date. She's a city girl and, from the get go, she struck me as a woman who is experienced in love and the ways of the world. Meaning to say, she likely knows that men are attracted to her and she doesn't mind going along with a relationship to see if it "works". It's very much in keeping with the evolving social liberation of the '60s counter-culture movement, when women started, for the first time, to take control of their romantic relationships, pursuing as often as they were pursued. |
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2012-04-27, 23:55 | Link #343 |
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Yeah, I love appolon animation but saying it setting new bar of animation level bar is very stretching.
I mean one of short movies of Classic Tom & Jerry have better piano animation. Just look at this. the animation is just simply outstanding and not using some CGi like appolon did. That's not a hit to appolon though, current ages animation just not simply up par with the past animation level. (and those tom & jerry short movies in 40s have far higher budget than appolon) Still gotta respect the production staff for making thing that anyone ain't making anymore. I really hope this title got recognition that its deserved. (albeit I still liking more tsuritama than this :P) we need more anime like this, Albeit its seems not that many discussion arise for this show in japanese board currently.
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2012-04-28, 06:27 | Link #344 | ||
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Which leaves me curious. How are the ratings for Sakamichi and Tsuritama? Might pop in to the noitamina thread for that question. As for the episode 3 itself, it was a bit of a drop in quality due to it moving so fast and introducing all these relationship lines/triangles etc. I don't mind "shipping" but it felt really fast paced and something like that would be solved by the penultimate ep of a 1-cour series. Guess Watanabe isn't keen bullshitting around relationship issues. Last edited by Pocari_Sweat; 2012-04-28 at 06:37. |
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2012-04-28, 08:49 | Link #346 | |
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I think it's just that unless you're a jazz enthusiast (and not everyone is), there's not a whole lot to talk about. The tone of the show is fairly low-key, there's no epic story, the characters are mostly straightforward (so far), it's not controversial (yet), there's not much space for speculation or wild guessing... The romance/love quadrangle provides a new aspect but it's not presented in a particularly exciting way. All this of course doesn't mean that Apollon is bad or uninteresting - quite the opposite. But it's not the sort of show that people get very enthusiastic about, or one that generates much discussion, at least not at this point. I think the discussion will pick up after certain revelations and developments. |
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2012-04-28, 09:21 | Link #347 |
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I meant to post this the other day: Sarah Vaughan
Here she is with Count Basie singing "You Turned the Tables on Me":
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2012-04-28, 11:22 | Link #352 | |
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For example Ano Hana & C also got similar ratings (in large part probably because of Ano Hana) but Ano Hana also sold fairly well. I hoping the same for Apollon and Tsuritama.
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2012-04-28, 17:55 | Link #353 | |
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2012-04-28, 18:14 | Link #354 | |
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Perhaps due to the pre-airing hype, especially over Kanno's involvement, it seems that many people have the misconception that Apollon is about jazz. It's not. It's about Kaoru (and to a lesser extent, Sen) dealing with life, with all its joy and drama. Obviously jazz is very important, but it's a catalyst, something for the characters to bond over, to express themselves by. Playing jazz is not the focus of the story. |
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2012-04-28, 18:40 | Link #355 |
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Well, I'm sorry, but the OP clearly depicts the two main characters playing together, standing outside a jazz bar and prepping for a live session. If the actual show has nothing of the sort, then they shouldn't have made it that way. An OP is supposed to invite you in and introduce you to the show's premise, its characters and possible hints at future events that you can look forward to. This is just false advertisement if true.
I'm not saying the music should be the central focus, but it should at least be a moderate part of it going by the OP. For now, they're having a session every episode that has little relevance to the story. The only significant development is Kaoru's piano performance for Ri, which I hope there will be more of, namely expressing their feelings and emotions through music. |
2012-04-28, 18:46 | Link #356 | |
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2012-04-28, 18:59 | Link #357 | |
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When ppl started this, were they expecting JUST jazz? If it's about that don't worry, there will be more. |
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2012-04-28, 19:09 | Link #358 | ||
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It seems to me you simply had certain expectations that were proven to be, if not entirely false, but not quite correct. Not entirely false, because music is very important, the characters are playing together every now and then (pretty often, actually, it just doesn't get shown for obvious reasons), there'll be a performance in a jazz bar (sort of) and they will have live sessions. However, these are mostly tied to plot and characterization. The focus is not on the music and the characters playing it and forming a band and whatever else people imagined this would be about. (I hadn't paid a whole lot of attention to the pre-airing advertising, but it seems like many people had somehow decided that Kanno + Watanabe = Bebop -> jazz -> Apollon has jazz -> Apollon will be totally about jazz.) Quote:
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Anyway, this isn't the point. The point I'm trying to make is that the drama is oppressing. It isn't even clever drama. It's simply an old-fashioned love triangle propagated by shallowness and misunderstandings. I hope there's a better balance in future episodes between the romance and music, because the characters are certainly not making themselves endearing this way. |
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