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Black magic is not his only western interest. It's mentioned he had an American West thing going on for a while, which is why he has all those Winchesters. |
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2010-03-26, 00:43 | Link #7102 | |
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2010-03-26, 03:31 | Link #7103 |
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I like the idea that Kanon gave us in EP6 about how Kinzo was in reality sometimes a good prankster. I don't think we've had an objective view of Kinzo yet (maybe in EP7? ) and I get the feeling maybe he was as much a screwball as Battler is. 8)
Maybe that's why Tahyllis's portrayal of him in his latest video feels so spot on for me. 8) |
2010-03-26, 04:00 | Link #7104 |
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He strikes me a much more impulsive and playful person than he has been portrayed to be. His role as a phantom of the epitaph ritual makes him out to be a brooding planner, but that seems not to square with what has been said about him (his risk-taking, his youthful aimlessness, his alleged playfulness and pranks).
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2010-03-26, 04:32 | Link #7105 | |
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2010-03-26, 04:56 | Link #7106 | |
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I played it all in Japanese but now it all exists as English in my head. And now I can't differentiate it with Tahyills's videos... |
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2010-03-26, 06:51 | Link #7107 | |
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Practically from what we have read, no matter what sort of things Kinzo had accomplished or done, their children would not be surprised, no even his servants and friends. ----------------------------------------------------- Chrono's theory: I suppose arguing what a demented should think is quite meaningless, so I am not going to ask questions like how Sayo could maintain her mental stability when part of her loved Jessica, part of her loved Battler, part of her loved George and part of her being the lover of Kinzo, or how she conveniently shrifted the identity when she wanted. Anyway, I got some few other questions, concerning the completeness of the theory: Did she also had an alternative personality called Yoshiya, sub-personality under Kanon? Why Shannon had to impose as Kanon? What's use of Kanon to Kinzo? Why it must be Shannon? What if someone actually solved the epitaph? Would Shannon go crazy (despite she already was) since the ritual had to be stopped and Golden Land could not be reached? So what really happened in EP5? How could Jessica not discover that Kanon was a fake person imposed by Sayo? What happened for EP3's 1st twilight? What about Kanon's death in EP4? Is there really a body in front of Hideyoshi in EP1, since "Kanon" was standing next to him?
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2010-03-26, 11:12 | Link #7108 |
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There's a few problems I have with your theory Chrono, but as you said, we're all allowed to agree or disagree with you.
First of all, I still don't accept Shkanon. I never have, no matter how many hints there are to it. Now, I haven't had the ability to read Episode 6, but when I do, I'm sure I can come to a logical explanation for all the Shkanon hints that don't require Shkanon. It's partially out of my stupid adoration for Ryuukishi's cheesy way of writing the teenage romances, but also because I prefer to refuse Erika's existence than deny Shannon's or Kanon's. Second, I know it hasn't been blantantly said, but my interpretation of the games is that Beato, or the person pretending to be her in the meta-world, is not the one murdering people on Rokkenjima. Out of a desire not to die, or out of love for Battler, she takes the blame for the murders as the Golden Witch Beatrice and challenges Battler to disprove her, hoping that he'll be able to find the true culprit in doing so. So from my interpretation, I can't see Shannon as the culprit, if she is also Beato. Thirdly, you're saying that Shannon is killing everybody using impossible means, to make everyone (I'm interpreting this means the entire world) believe they were killed by the witch's magic. If this is correct, I feel it completely goes against what Battler's fighting for in the Episode 5 ura-tea party and what I know of Episode 6. Once he understands Beato, he fights to bring her back so he can take her out of Purgatoria and into the real world. I may be thinking the wrong way, but if he truly understood Beato, I'd think he'd aim to complete what she originally started: to find the miracle that allows him to solve the mysteries and find the kakera with the best conclusion to the gameboard. But wow... the amount of effort it looks like you put into this really impressed me. It's inspiring me to actually put together a coherent theory, instead of just shooting off stuff like this. |
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2010-03-26, 17:21 | Link #7110 |
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This is only tangentially related, but I just noticed something odd that I want to confirm. Can anyone point me at any scene in EP2 where Battler saw that Shannon was wearing her engagement ring? In the anime, it's shown during the original proposal, but her ring finger is bare in every scene after that.
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2010-03-26, 17:25 | Link #7111 | |
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Although a ring definietly exists I'm sure. EP 2 Rudolf overheard George practicing a proposal and there's a good chance he saw the ring itself. Unless he was lying to himself about seeing that, I think he can be credible enough. |
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2010-03-26, 17:30 | Link #7112 | |
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If she didn't accept it in EP2, there's a possibility she didn't accept it in EP1 either. Supposing Hideyoshi knew George was planning to propose, he might have lied about the ring being on her finger to spare his son's feelings. |
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2010-03-26, 17:37 | Link #7113 | |
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In the scene with Rosa and co finding the chapter (before Battler) there's an image with Shannon having a ring on her left hand. Later on, with Battler in the room, the left hand is suddenly missing the ring. This might need to wait until more chapters are out, but there isn't much Shannon yet. |
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2010-03-26, 17:44 | Link #7115 | |
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2010-03-26, 17:51 | Link #7117 |
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We don't have absolute proof of that. And I'm not going to deny he loves her, but don't you think it's possible that he would use the head's ring as an engagement ring? It would be impossible to refuse such an honor.
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2010-03-26, 17:54 | Link #7118 |
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That is one of the theories, that the references to the rings is really the headship ring.
In that case, the ring went missing and had to have appeared within George, or possibly Eva and Hideyoshi's grasp. Actually, I haven't really heard too many concrete theories that try to trace the ring, from Kinzo's finger to it showing up in various episodes. I always assumed whoever was executing Kinzo's will had possession of it. Essentially, 'Beatrice.' Right? |
2010-03-26, 17:57 | Link #7119 | |
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Also, from the way George talked about his future goals in EP 1 it makes me think that he would prefer Shannon to take the role of a housewife, rather than the head of such a large family. |
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2010-03-26, 17:59 | Link #7120 | |
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It doesn't have to be Beatrice who writes it, but if it was I would think they would be prepared years in advance.
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