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aris385 · 2006-06-01, 01:26

Is it just me or is Sasuke just being used by Orochimaru. When Orochimaru takes over his body, doesn't Orochimaru mind and soul take over and replaces Sasuke's. So he will not really be avenging his family and clan, and I doubt Orochimaru will stop to claim woman to do you know what with

,so Sasuke would not be able to restore his clan. This is to me is a bad deal for Sasuke in which he does not achieve any of his goals he told to Naruto, Sakura, & Kakashi in their first meeting. I hope Sasuke is just using snake man to gain more power and get rid of him before his body is used in the jutsu, or if he is not for Naruto to kick his ass so he could knock so sense into him which doesn't look like it will happen and the moment.

~~Rachy~~ · 2006-06-01, 01:31

You should Manga tag this thread.

Sasuke said he doesn't care is Orochimaru takes over his body only that he achieves his goal of killing Itachi, i guess the revival of his clan comes second.

I dont think Orochimaru will get Sasuke's body anyway, Since Orochimaru is pretty weak at the moment Sasuke i don't think is incline to just sit there and let it happen.

Maybe in this fight with Naruto he will learn something that makes him want to keep around, or Itachi will show up and Sasuke will go after him etc etc.

MysticNinjaJay · 2006-06-01, 01:58

I've pondered this dillema.

Orochimaru insisted to his more recent host that his strongest desires would reside in his subconcious after Oro takes his body and that it would have influence on things like his dedication to seeing his clan go free.

If so perhaps Orochimaru intends to allow Sasuke to have his revenge through him?

When he fought the 3rd Hokage he revealed his true form and that many of the attributes of the host are still present in him including that host's voice, so perhaps in a duel with Itachi he will allow Sasuke some control over the situation to accomplish his mission of revenge.

I don't see Orochimaru allowing Sasuke to risk his life in a duel with Itachi before he takes over his body, but then again if he was willing to do the swap 2.5 years ago when Sasuke left with the Sound 4 to meet him it's a mystery as to why he trains him in the first place.

As Rave said, Sasuke was made aware by Naruto that Orochimaru intended to take over his body and he doesn't care about this so long as he gains the power to destroy Itachi.

Either he and Orochimaru have gone over the terms for their dealings together or Sasuke simply plans to betray Orochimaru and go off on his own.

degeros · 2006-06-01, 02:51

To be quite honest, I doubt Kishimoto will ever allow Sasuke to have his body taken by Orochimaru.

WLegend · 2006-06-01, 02:56

Right now Sasuke don't seem to care if Oro takes over his body, all he wants to do it to kill Itachi. Maybe that is the reason why Sasuke didn't kill Naruto, probably he decided to use Oro's power to kill Itachi, rather than kill and friend to gain MS. But either way Sasuke knows that Oro will take over and all he wants to do is to kill Itachi. Oro with Sasuke's body still can revive the clan...Oro is a horny bastard...

~~Rachy~~ · 2006-06-01, 04:00

If Orochimaru attempted a body switch now, is he powerful enough in his current state to even bring down Sasuke, if Sasuke fought back?

Mr. DJ · 2006-06-01, 04:11

isn't Oro only allowed to do the body switch like every 3 years?

anyways...I'm pretty sure Sasuke is aware of Orochimaru's intentions, and like he said in a way, he'll do anything to get stronger to achieve his goal (ala Vegita)

Mirtual · 2006-06-01, 04:28

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Orochimaru insisted to his more recent host that his strongest desires would reside in his subconcious after Oro takes his body and that it would have influence on things like his dedication to seeing his clan go free.

If so perhaps Orochimaru intends to allow Sasuke to have his revenge through him?
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LOL
And now imagine after they are done with the revenge thing Sasuke will take over the body again whenever Orochimaru comes across a hot looking women to revive the clan through him...
What a thought...
No, I would say Orochimaru is a lier and that's about it. Or at least no matter how strong the desire of the original personality is, he still has the upper hand.

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Of course he is using him. And Sasuke is using Orochimaru to get stronger as fast as possible. They are not friends or something, they are kind of allied. That's how it works. Both sides take as much advantage as they can, the only reason to cooperate is because both gain something they want.

Alice Elliot · 2006-06-01, 04:42

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Of course he is using him. And Sasuke is using Orochimaru to get stronger as fast as possible. They are not friends or something, they are kind of allied. That's how it works. Both sides take as much advantage as they can, the only reason to cooperate is because both gain something they want.

I agree with that. Sasuke is aware of it, but he doesn't care about it as long as he can kill Itachi. He said himself that he can't die till he did it.

But if Oro takes over Sasuke then the Uchiha clan won't be revived, because Oro got more important things in his mind and I guess he would like to be the only one with a Sharingan.

About the clan reviving, I personally can't imagine Sasuke to revive the clan.. Sasuke and girls seems odd

Oro and girls seems odd too... eww

Ryuujin · 2006-06-01, 12:20

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Originally Posted by uchiha rave

If Orochimaru attempted a body switch now, is he powerful enough in his current state to even bring down Sasuke, if Sasuke fought back?

I'm sure he's got some method of keeping Sasuke under control. It'd be foolish not to...

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But if Oro takes over Sasuke then the Uchiha clan won't be revived, because Oro got more important things in his mind and I guess he would like to be the only one with a Sharingan.

On the other hand, reviving the Uchiha clan would provide Oro with a ready supply of Sharingan-capable bodies he can switch to once Sasuke got old...

MysticNinjaJay · 2006-06-01, 12:39

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Originally Posted by Ryuujin

I'm sure he's got some method of keeping Sasuke under control. It'd be foolish not to...

Let's not forget that the curse seal allows Oro to control his henchmen, so I don't think Sasuke can willfully defy Orochimaru if he doesn't want him to.

As far as this topic is concerned in the latest chapter Sasuke has acknowledged that he is still no match for Itachi and that he is willing to become a container for Oro to seek revenge through him.

Akatsuki members themselves expressed concern with Orochimaru gaining sharingan, as if Oro would turn into an unstoppable beast with it.

That is likely the case as a Sannin with the Uchiha abilities would be quite the formidable opponent.

Rich · 2006-06-01, 12:41

wait so is the curse seal permanant? if Oro can create it, can't Jiraiya supress it?

Mirtual · 2006-06-01, 13:03

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wait so is the curse seal permanant? if Oro can create it, can't Jiraiya Supress it?

well, Sarutobi did something about the CS on Anko and Kakashi managed to seal Sasukes seal. So it is permanent and most likely you will have it until you die (Anko still has it), but it can be stopped from working.

MysticNinjaJay · 2006-06-01, 13:15

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Originally Posted by Mirtual

well, Sarutobi did something about the CS on Anko and Kakashi managed to seal Sasukes seal. So it is permanent and most likely you will have it until you die (Anko still has it), but it can be stopped from working.

I'm guessing the only way to get rid of it is to kill the creator, kill Orochimaru.

Otherwise yeah it appears to be permanent. Notice that the seal Kakashi put on it has been removed, likely by Orochimaru.

Mirtual · 2006-06-01, 13:22

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I'm guessing the only way to get rid of it is to kill the creator, kill Orochimaru.

Otherwise yeah it appears to be permanent. Notice that the seal Kakashi put on it has been removed, likely by Orochimaru.

I agree, but the fact that Orochimaru seems to be good enough to remove Kakashis seal (to be honest I think it was even gone in the fight Naruto vs Sasuke at the end of the first part) does not change the fact that it is at least possible to stop the seal from having an effect.

Syaoran · 2006-06-01, 14:08

Sandaime Hokage Sama couldn't remove the Cursed Seal completely from Anko >.<

Maybe Tsunade after long research and an considerable amount of soft warm osake she drinks ^^ *damn... I want some now*

MysticNinjaJay · 2006-06-01, 14:10

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Originally Posted by Mirtual

I agree, but the fact that Orochimaru seems to be good enough to remove Kakashis seal (to be honest I think it was even gone in the fight Naruto vs Sasuke at the end of the first part) does not change the fact that it is at least possible to stop the seal from having an effect.

Certainly you can at best suppress the effect of the seal, that was the purpose of Kakashi's seal.

I don't think Sasuke broke Kakashi's seal because he commented on imaging how much power he could have if the seal was working at full potential as Sasuke's seal was designed to suppress the cursed seal so long as Sasuke continued to rely on his own power.

Now that we don't see the design of Kakashi's sealing technique on the cursed seal it should be assumed that it was officially removed by Orochimaru, which ofcourse isn't suprising considering he broke Sasori's jutsu on Kabuto.

Orochimaru and Jiraiya being ninjutsu specialists are quite knowledgeable when it comes to suppressing and breaking seals.

Kotengu · 2006-06-01, 15:29

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Originally Posted by aris385

Is it just me or is Sasuke just being used by Orochimaru. When Orochimaru takes over his body, doesn't Orochimaru mind and soul take over and replaces Sasuke's. So he will not really be avenging his family and clan, and I doubt Orochimaru will stop to claim woman to do you know what with

,so Sasuke would not be able to restore his clan. This is to me is a bad deal for Sasuke in which he does not achieve any of his goals he told to Naruto, Sakura, & Kakashi in their first meeting. I hope Sasuke is just using snake man to gain more power and get rid of him before his body is used in the jutsu, or if he is not for Naruto to kick his ass so he could knock so sense into him which doesn't look like it will happen and the moment.

Lilke my man rave said, sasuke doen't care that he's being used cuz he's using orochimaru. He knows that oro want's to kill Itachi and even if he doesn't have his own mind anymore he'll still get to do it.

THe really cool thing to see will be if sasuke can take controll of oro's conciousness, as he was able to supress the curse seal himself duing the chunin exams. and in light of the new development

Spoiler:

, that might just be a possibility.

Rurik · 2006-06-01, 15:56

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Originally Posted by ShurikenJay

Orochimaru and Jiraiya being ninjutsu specialists are quite knowledgeable when it comes to suppressing and breaking seals.

I always treated the CS as a Venom, in this case when you get bitten by a poisonous Snake, the antidotes can only be created by using the same poison as ingredient, So I think the only people that could undo the CS is Orochimaru.

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Lilke my man rave said,

Now that's a really interesting statement...

Kotengu · 2006-06-01, 16:38

Sorry rave... girl.

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But yea Oro also said that he had to die sasuke more to his color before he could get him. Which would imply that if sasuke wasn't in the right mindset, that he would resist oro and the fusion of souls wouldn't go smoothly(or at least in oro's favor).
This would explain why sasuke was able to resist the curse seal while naruto's influence on him was high, and why oro put his current body thru a psycologicaly warping murder fest before taking it.
It also brings to light an interesting fact that oro couldn't merge into itachi's body even thou tachi should have been exactly his "color".(aside from not being able to beat him in a fight)

2006-06-01, 01:26	Link #1
aris385 Member Join Date: Dec 2004	Sasuke being used Is it just me or is Sasuke just being used by Orochimaru. When Orochimaru takes over his body, doesn't Orochimaru mind and soul take over and replaces Sasuke's. So he will not really be avenging his family and clan, and I doubt Orochimaru will stop to claim woman to do you know what with ,so Sasuke would not be able to restore his clan. This is to me is a bad deal for Sasuke in which he does not achieve any of his goals he told to Naruto, Sakura, & Kakashi in their first meeting. I hope Sasuke is just using snake man to gain more power and get rid of him before his body is used in the jutsu, or if he is not for Naruto to kick his ass so he could knock so sense into him which doesn't look like it will happen and the moment.

2006-06-01, 01:58	Link #3
MysticNinjaJay Ninja Emperor Join Date: Oct 2004 Age: 38	I've pondered this dillema. Orochimaru insisted to his more recent host that his strongest desires would reside in his subconcious after Oro takes his body and that it would have influence on things like his dedication to seeing his clan go free. If so perhaps Orochimaru intends to allow Sasuke to have his revenge through him? When he fought the 3rd Hokage he revealed his true form and that many of the attributes of the host are still present in him including that host's voice, so perhaps in a duel with Itachi he will allow Sasuke some control over the situation to accomplish his mission of revenge. I don't see Orochimaru allowing Sasuke to risk his life in a duel with Itachi before he takes over his body, but then again if he was willing to do the swap 2.5 years ago when Sasuke left with the Sound 4 to meet him it's a mystery as to why he trains him in the first place. As Rave said, Sasuke was made aware by Naruto that Orochimaru intended to take over his body and he doesn't care about this so long as he gains the power to destroy Itachi. Either he and Orochimaru have gone over the terms for their dealings together or Sasuke simply plans to betray Orochimaru and go off on his own. __________________

2006-06-01, 01:31	Link #2
~~Rachy~~ Disabled By Request Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: sasuke's lap	You should Manga tag this thread. Sasuke said he doesn't care is Orochimaru takes over his body only that he achieves his goal of killing Itachi, i guess the revival of his clan comes second. I dont think Orochimaru will get Sasuke's body anyway, Since Orochimaru is pretty weak at the moment Sasuke i don't think is incline to just sit there and let it happen. Maybe in this fight with Naruto he will learn something that makes him want to keep around, or Itachi will show up and Sasuke will go after him etc etc.

2006-06-01, 02:51	Link #4
degeros Sinner Join Date: Jan 2004	To be quite honest, I doubt Kishimoto will ever allow Sasuke to have his body taken by Orochimaru.

2006-06-01, 02:56	Link #5
WLegend Driven Join Date: Dec 2005	Right now Sasuke don't seem to care if Oro takes over his body, all he wants to do it to kill Itachi. Maybe that is the reason why Sasuke didn't kill Naruto, probably he decided to use Oro's power to kill Itachi, rather than kill and friend to gain MS. But either way Sasuke knows that Oro will take over and all he wants to do is to kill Itachi. Oro with Sasuke's body still can revive the clan...Oro is a horny bastard...

2006-06-01, 04:00	Link #6
~~Rachy~~ Disabled By Request Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: sasuke's lap	If Orochimaru attempted a body switch now, is he powerful enough in his current state to even bring down Sasuke, if Sasuke fought back?

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Mr. DJ Schwing! Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Central Texas Age: 39	isn't Oro only allowed to do the body switch like every 3 years? anyways...I'm pretty sure Sasuke is aware of Orochimaru's intentions, and like he said in a way, he'll do anything to get stronger to achieve his goal (ala Vegita)

2006-06-01, 12:41	Link #12
Rich AnimeSuki's Hentai-sama Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Hong Kong	wait so is the curse seal permanant? if Oro can create it, can't Jiraiya supress it?

2006-06-01, 14:08	Link #16
Syaoran Inactive Member Join Date: Dec 2005	Sandaime Hokage Sama couldn't remove the Cursed Seal completely from Anko >.< Maybe Tsunade after long research and an considerable amount of soft warm osake she drinks ^^ damn... I want some now

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Kotengu KING RANSOM Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Location Location!	Sorry rave... girl. . But yea Oro also said that he had to die sasuke more to his color before he could get him. Which would imply that if sasuke wasn't in the right mindset, that he would resist oro and the fusion of souls wouldn't go smoothly(or at least in oro's favor). This would explain why sasuke was able to resist the curse seal while naruto's influence on him was high, and why oro put his current body thru a psycologicaly warping murder fest before taking it. It also brings to light an interesting fact that oro couldn't merge into itachi's body even thou tachi should have been exactly his "color".(aside from not being able to beat him in a fight)