2004-03-31, 11:04 | Link #4 | |
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Come on, Love Hina and Onegai Teacher deep? Chobits maybe, but can someone explain to me how a romantic comedy/drama like Love Hina and Onegai series are "deep". Sure, they get serious at times but that doesn't mean its deep... If you mean they can have a real story (more so than your average ecchi) and flash anatomy, well sure that's possible...I still have a low opinion of ecchi/fanservice shows. I've heard Popotan is deep (mainly from Animenation's AskJohn! John), but I'm skeptical. I haven't seen that, can someone explain to me how that one is an above average ecchi show? |
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Daphne in the Brilliant Blue has an excessive amount of fanservice, and so far, the characters are somewhat cliche but episode 1 and now, as I hear, episode 10 (the newest one) suggest a deep plot soon in the future. Too bad it's not one of Lunar priorities, but if I ran Lunar I would also put it at the bottom of anime subbing lists as of episode 4 ^^ I hear it gets much, much better, though.
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2004-03-31, 16:11 | Link #9 |
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Most ecchi shows are also comedy, very often it is the ecchiness which provides a big part of the humor. This can make it rather difficult to get a truly deep and intriguing story, since the comedy will take away all the tension being build up by the story. I can' t immediatelly think of an ecchi show with a serious story.
Love Hina, Chobits, Daphne i/t BB, Onegai T all are very much directed towards comedy and there is almost never any tension being build up ... Yumeria is also ecchi (but more by using the suggestion of, rather than actually using pantyshots and stuff), but here we have alot of comedy again. Other shows mentioned (EVA and KGNE) have some nudity in them but not real ecchi stuff. These shows have a very good and deep story but the nudity or so-called ecchiness can't be called ecchi since it's an integral part of the story. Another ecchi show which has alot of panty shots and all is Ikkitousen, this one isn't really directed towards comedy at all but more towards action. There is a story present but it ain't explained to good to be truly intriguing. But there is Ai Yori Aoshi: this one is very ecchi as well and tries to develop an interesting love story between Kaoru and Aoi, it also has alot of comedy in it. But this show has alot of more serious moments in it. There is a nice balance between ecchi - comedy - drama. I think this anime comes the closest to what you search. However don't expect a story which is as good as KGNE or EVA but an romantic based story which has some very nice momets but can be predictable at times ... |
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2004-03-31, 21:03 | Link #13 | |
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2004-04-01, 13:25 | Link #14 | |
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There is a big difference between an ecchi show and a show which has some occasional nudity in it ... |
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2004-04-01, 14:45 | Link #15 | |
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Why not clarify things (LOL not) by replacing the word ecchi with a word more people fully understand, perverse.
http://www.hyperdictionary.com/searc...efine=perverse The problem is that the definition of perverse=ecchi contains so many other terms that are different for each person. (i.e. immorality / what is right and good / wayward) It's like trying to define pornography or obscenity: There is no one definition that will please everyone because each person is offended by different degress of behavior, depiction and language. (We can't even agree on what degree of storytelling equates to deep, although we can probably come to agree on certain specific titles.) I can't recall an anime that was perverse and deep. The only story I can recall that is deep and (occasionally could be called) perverse is the Appleseed manga. (My list of things ecchi that I've seen or read is short.) In a few places we get to see some of the female characters showering and in various states of nudity for no reason that has real relevance in the story. But the main theme of the Appleseed manga rests on questions like, "What is the nature of humanity?" and "Is a degree of utopia possible, even if humans are re-engineered to be nearly perfect?" Now in my book those nude scenes are not perverse, since I see nothing wrong with a person enjoying a view of a naked or scantily clad female. Person was used intentionally in the previous sentence since I know a few women who are aroused by the female form. For me the question of this thread should read, "Are there any anime with deep plots that needlessly flaunt sexuality or nudity?" Even that question begs for interpretation. My point is not that the question was vague, or poorly stated, but that there will be a lot of disagreement on what the answers of the question are. Quote:
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2004-04-01, 16:28 | Link #16 | |
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Ecchi anime are anime in which erotic/nude scenes are shown at times or places where they are completely unnecesarry for the story and this in large amounts. Most often this nudity/erotic scenery is used in a comedy sense and not in an arousing sense (which would be hentai) To clarify : erotic / nude scenes : obviously just about any panty shot scene is a part of this (if a girl tumbles you can easilly show this without panty showing), also scenes where clothes get ripped off for no apparent reason (Ikkitousen anyone ), anime in which every girl has excessive large breasts AND they get alot of camera attention, girls dressed in very exotic clothing : examples here would be just about any bath scene in Love Hina, Ikkitousen combat scenes, Aoi Yori Aoshi (all women there are "well-shaped" and the carema positions tend to accentify this) on the other hand Da Capo would not qualify since (as far as I can remember) it has 1 panty shot which is shown in a flash, but this one has a purpose, both Nemu and her brother are crawling in a corridor and this is to help explain why she doesn't wanna crawl back first ... Also anime in which all woman are drawn with large breasts but WITHOUT getting camera attention (in essence it is the drawing style) aren't really ecchi (I realise in this occasion the line between ecchi-non-ecchi is rather thin) : for example : Scrapped Princess: large breasts but no camera attention unneccesary : I think this is rather obvious, sometimes nudity can be used to explain a certain situation but at other times it's just nudity for the sake of nudity. Basically the question is does the shown nudity/erotic scene add to the story or explain a situation or not ... The best examples here are KGNE : there are a few nude scenes but they are all part of the story Spoiler:
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Unnecesarry nudity is what we get in ikkitousen, Ai Yori Aoshi (the camera in this series ALWAYS seems to facus on the girls breasts and none of them seem to have a cup smaller than E at least ) and so on ... large amounts: Since just about every anime series has a bath or seatrip episode this is one where we can expect to see these scenes. While ONE episode can be considered ecchi, if it only happens here or on a few rare occasions in the series that we ge unneeded nudity/erotic scene the series itself isn't ecchi (but then again where exactly do we draw the line) In this respect Da Capo ain't ecchi it has a few bath scenes and skimpy bikini's but only a couple of times, while love Hina for example has nothing but bath scenes comedy sense: Almost always the shown nudity/erotic scene wants to create a funny situation (seeing as 90% of them are followed by insane huge nosebleeds), personally i think the moment the situation tries to get you aroused we can talk about having a hentai show. Enough of my rants, please feel free to comment on my definition of ecchi. I think under the applied definition we can say Ecchi : Love Hina, Ikkitousen, Chobits, Aoi Yori Aoshi, Daphne in the Brilliant Blue, Yumeria (mostly erotic scenes and very suggestive scenes rather than actual nudity), Onegai Twins Not Ecchi : KGNE, Da Capo, Saikano, Evangelion |
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2004-04-01, 17:08 | Link #17 | |
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This is a bit of an aside, if there was one thing that bugged me about Ai Yori Aoshi it was that the ecchi seemed to get in the way of the plot. It was as if the two didn't blend properly (I really liked the main romance, and wished that they would have focused more on that). Love Hina suffered a bit in the same way, but I never found it as serious to begin with so it didn't bother me as much. In Yumeria, on the other hand, I thought they blended ecchi and plot very well - the show could be serious and ecchi at the same time and go between the two without either seeming out of place. For the most part, I thought that Onegai Twins did a fairly good job of this blending also, mostly because the situations were well setup and well-played (and sometimes very surprising, like Karen and Maiku's scene in episode 3). |
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2004-04-01, 17:33 | Link #18 | |
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About Love Hina : The entire anime was so weird (the weirdest things taking place (Su being one of the most chaotic characters ever ) besides the ecchi and the actual story) that nothing really disrupted the flow of it. this was the one thing I loved about it, an cery funny , very chaotic ecchi anime. |
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Now I know you said Ecchi, and I know I will probably get flamed for this, but there is one anime I can think of that is both renowned for a deep plot and sex... but it is hentai, not ecchi:
Urotsukidoji. (Just the first OVA, the others are crap). People have extremely varying opinions about it, but there are those who think it is a classic of horror and fantasy. I'm thinking you are looking more towards the "cute" side of ecchi, though... (Note: I realize that ecchi is simply the japanese word for "H", which stands for hentai, but the connotation is different in english).
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