2012-08-10, 02:07 | Link #101 |
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That's where the difference between ability and jutsu matter.
What Kamui does isn't necessarily the same technique as Tobi's jutsu but both can be based on the same subjacent mechanism. The MS ability would simply be to open an access to this pocket universe (or something along this line) and through this, many different jutsu could be made including Kamui, teleportation and phasing. |
2012-08-10, 02:18 | Link #102 | ||
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Whatever the case may be, I certainly hope Kishimoto provides some semblance of it in the upcoming chapter. I may not care who Tobi is any longer, but the mystery has been needlessly extended well past my point of patience (not that I necessarily wanted a whole Tuxedo Mask style presentation (though, now that I think about it, Obito would be a Tuxedo Mask style presentation )). Part II has worn out its welcome (though, I am a little sad that there will not be a Part III)... |
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2012-08-10, 12:45 | Link #107 | |
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I was thinking about that too, but whatever Tobi did to counter it must be different or else it makes no sense why he hasn't used a long range kamui technique before. when he fought fuu and torune he seemed to have no choice but to sacrifice his arm to the poison nano-beetles. and when he fought minato he had to get right behind him and touch his shoulder, which gave minato the slight opening he needed to escape the vortex |
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2012-08-10, 16:46 | Link #108 |
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i really dont understand this "OBITOS EYE THEORY" we are clearly shown evidence of obitos incident and his whole RIGHT side was COMPLETELY CRUSHED including eye. like look at the size of the rock that hit him....., gave kakashi his other eye and then more rocks piled on top so i really dont understand how this eye could survive all that when he him self said it was crushed
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2012-08-10, 17:36 | Link #109 | |
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I think its really just a lack of other Uchiha alternatives introduced in the story. Doesn't help that the author himself is teasing us with the idea of Tobi being Obito (the reference to Kakashi's past). I'm sticking with Izuna. |
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2012-08-10, 19:58 | Link #111 | |
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I'm not among the Tobito believers myself (or at least I think there is obviously more to Tobi than a mere Obito) but I believe it's quite evident at this point that he has Obito's eye. And why not? He has scores of Sharingan at his disposal. I don't find it that hard to believe that he had Zetsu on duty to keep an eye out for Uchiha's corpses for decades in order to collect as many Sharingan as possible and that one of them was Obito's. |
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2012-08-10, 21:00 | Link #112 | |
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oh and we was not shown the extend of his dmg body b.c its anime its pg or G isnt it? it cant show anything gorey etc, so its explained in words e:g hidan beheading was a shadow etc also in the flash backs we are shown of madara/kyuubi/first fight u we see the same weapons, as tobi is using now how ever if he really was madara why hide the face.if weve seen madaras face whats the point of wearing the mask apart from drawing/focusing your eyes to sharingan? other then to hide his face, obviously hes not, also when madara was resurrected from edo tensei in the war, he refered to tobi as "him" when questioned implying that he knows him, implying that they had some sort of relationship/plan which was also mention ( possible teach student tobi being teacheR in the shadows, just like itachi states in susuke itachi fight, my teacher/mentor uchiha madara referring to tobi so thats why i believe its plausible ) how ever im just speculating here Last edited by mahbod; 2012-08-10 at 22:28. |
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2012-08-10, 21:30 | Link #113 | |
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Thats not to say I disagree with you... |
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2012-08-10, 21:44 | Link #114 | |
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any one comment on above discussions opinions ty ty for fixing post , u beat me to it james/hunter lol soz no sleep for 2 days :P was supposed to edit ahaha , f5 spammers :P |
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2012-08-11, 01:31 | Link #115 |
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In the manga, there are views in which u can see that obitos head is not crushed. While I agree that we do not see the true damage of dying characters, I tend to believe that since obito had purposeful discussion (requesting his eye be removed, demanding they live him behind), and thoughts of regret, that he had an intact brain and likely 2 intact eyes before he "died"
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The fact is that we did not see Obito's eye crushed. He was buried under rocks, but the extent of his damage is unknown. Even if Tobi is not Obito in any way, Kishi purposely left Obito's damage unknown so that we could at least entertain the thought of Tobi being him at least in part. If we did see Obito completely crushed as mahbod incorrectly states, then nobody would be arguing obito theory because it would be impossible |
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2012-08-11, 05:57 | Link #117 | |
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incorrectly states? lol? check your sources , http://www.endless-naruto.com/Kakashi-Gaiden.html Kakashi bandages his eye and he and Obito approach a cave to save the weakening Rin from the Kakko, the remaining Iwagakure ninja. Using their skills, they strike Kakko and save Rin. However, the battle had weakened the cave and, in a last ditch effort to destroy the young shinobi, Kakko uses Earth Release: Rock Lodging Destruction, causing the cave to crumble in upon itself. With rocks falling in around the Konoha ninja, Obito throws Kakashi out of the way of a falling rock trapping himself instead, crushing the entire right side of his body. Mortally wounded and knowing his life is over, Obito tells Rin to remove his remaining eye and offer it - along with the Sharingan - to Kakashi as a belated present and final gift to Kakashi for being promoted to Jonin. Obito tells Kakashi he is a great ninja and that he can become Kakashi's eye and help them all live on. A short time passes and Kakashi emerges from the rubble a holder of the in here and various websites/manga it stats his right side of his body is completely crushed in that context referring to his eye also other wise somthing would of been said öh i can see out of my right eye break this rock and take it too... |
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2012-08-11, 06:02 | Link #118 | |
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Everything you see in the website is not 100% fact, only the Author of the manga can say that. Crushed or not crushed, Only Kishimoto Knows....
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2012-08-11, 06:37 | Link #119 | |
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every manga/anime say the same thing that was just a summary of the manga/anime since i cannot post direct links to any manga anime website and in the images you can clearly see the boulder covers his right side of his head, neways what do you think about the other ideas i mentioned above also since naruto has come out, every nite i watch a few episode starting frm begging to end, out of love for naruto in general, but also to repetition just incase something clicks then i repeat every nite since naruto has come out lol, i watch episodes to analyses etc , so please infuture before you say i incorrectly stated without providing evidence/sources i am offended , obito said there is on feeling at all in his right side of body what that means its Completely dead , the boulder is covering his eye aka Crushed, how ever if that was true, he would be instantly dead and not be able to talk so obviously his head/brain intact but in the context its mentioned it implies all right side body is gone is the head part of the body?( possible translation errors) due to impossible direct jap> english translations but now that i think about it that dont make sense if his right side of his head would be crushed instant death so that actually may be possibility that the eye is alive, but then the after math of the cave would end it all see them landing on his face instantly deforming it etc (anime) so unless kishi pulls somthing out of his ass i doubt it, but madara collects sharingans and has been around long time it also could be a very plausible idea that madara had taken obitos blood relatives eyes http://img.mangahit.com/manga/0916/033341/13.jpg manga chapter were the incident happened in the image u can see the rock placement and around his left eye there is severe dmg(blood pouring from his "crushed"eye and none on his right eye , but this translation stats almost" thats debatable of translations second link after math http://img.mangahit.com/manga/0916/033342/09.jpg Last edited by mahbod; 2012-08-11 at 06:57. |
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