2005-12-21, 13:00 | Link #1 |
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Chapter 209 [Manga] Discussion
First the results of the popularity poll that were mentioned last chapter.
1. Ichigo 8370 2. Hitsugaya 8321 3. Rukia 6122 4. Renji 4517 5.Ichimaru 4039 6.Byakuya 3752 7.Yoruichi 3744 8.Urahara 3676 9.Kenpachi 3001 10.Inoue 2901 11:イヅル Izuru 2873 12:雛森 Hinamori 2735 13:檜佐木 Hisagi 2317 14:浮竹 Ukitake 2298 15:雨竜 Uryuu 1742 16:砕蜂 Soi Fong 1628 17:松本 Matsumoto 1377 .18:藍染 Aizen 1266 19:やちる Yachiru 1224 20:ウルキオラ Ulquiorra 737 21:七緒 Nanao 609 22:コン Kon 601 23:雨 Ururu 566 24:花太郎 Hanatarou 545 25:東仙 Tousen 519 26:一角 Ikkaku 456 27:マユリ Mayuri 448 28:京楽 Kyouraku 445 29:一心 Isshin 440 30:茶渡 Sado 370 And for the chapter "Lift the limit" Spoiler:
Also this is a double issue so no chapter for next week. Last edited by hi no ken Jebus; 2005-12-22 at 12:12. |
2005-12-21, 13:29 | Link #4 |
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Thanks for the summary of the chapter. I find it hard to believe that they still had their powers limited. Why would SS do that? It doesn't make any sense. They obviously know how strong these arrancar are, yet they limit there power...
I forgot how much Renji said they were limited though. I think it was 1/5? |
2005-12-21, 14:41 | Link #6 | |
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There seems to be two reasons that could be possible. Obviously, shinigami can cause problems in any area they are in if their spirit power is too high. If they walk around unrestricted the damage they cause might be greater than the good they cause by defeating hollows. First, if Soul Society has to prepare some kind of special field to protect the surrounding area from the effects of a completely unhindered VC or Captain shinigami, the field might not be something that can be in effect continuously. As such, the shinigami would have to wait until they were in need of the restriction being lifted to ask for the field to be placed. Which would be the reason why it took so long to be allowed to fight unrestricted. In bureaucratic fashion, they first had to in enough danger to need to be unrestricted and then had to wait to become unrestricted. Secondly, if there is no way to protect an area from a VC or Captain's spirit power except through restriction, it would mean the restriction would only be removed when it was certain that they had no other way to protect the human world but to fight unrestricted, which damages the human world. Essentially, in this sense, given that their role is to protect the human world, they would only do something that damages the human world, fighting unrestricted, when the damage caused by their action was less than the damage caused by not acting unrestricted. Was it mentioned if all shinigami are under the restriction or is it just the shinigami known to be powerful enough to effect the surrounding area through their presence? |
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2005-12-21, 14:59 | Link #7 | |
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2005-12-21, 15:18 | Link #9 | |
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Cuz if Ikakku never showed his powers, it is possible that SS didn't give a limiter to Ikkaku. (Since he didn't accept VC or above, he might not be required to wear a limiter) I wonder if Ichigo's abilities were limited? Afterall he is only a replacement Shinigami... *** (Somehow I'm starting to get DB vibes from this fight... it's almost like how you have the heroes fight with 20-tons worth of clothing, then tossing it away for the real fight...) (At least Ichigo doesn't wait for himself to 'die' before going bankai...) Last edited by eMpTy265; 2005-12-21 at 15:34. |
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2005-12-21, 15:31 | Link #10 |
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Hmmm..sounds like an interesting chapter..
Well, atleast Hitsu isn't down for the count I was almost sure he was. Now that the power limit has been lifted, I'm sure the battles will turn around, and good guys will start winning again. Though, I think it would have been smarter of Matsumoto to also have asked for reinforcements... I've been wondering about why the Arrancar were numbered the way they were...it makes sense. Looks like Grimjaw is uber powerful :| I am a little worried about how powerful the ones ahead of him are though. Seems like trouble for the future... Ichigo going bankai? Wow...saw that coming from a mile away. Looks like we are getting closer to the fight I've been waiting for Ichigo vs. Grimjaw!! |
2005-12-21, 16:54 | Link #11 |
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At this point, i find Ikkaku's strength totally unrealistic... it seems like a weird plot hole now, no matter what. Kinda unexplainable now, i think. That would mean that Ichigo was initially very powerful, and so was Tetsumon (sp? the 7th division VC). Kinda weird...
Also I hope these guys get pushed back a bit.... too bad Ichigo doesn't get any extra release. Maybe Isshin/Vaizards will help Ichigo survive a bit. Also, with the introduction of this whole class of Arrankar stronger than them shows that Ichigo will need new training. Hope Isshin does the training. Havent seen him in a while. Speaking of not seeing people in a while : ISHIDA! Where the hell is he? Hope he's done his training... but dunno how he'll react to this situation. |
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Ishida is probably busy avoiding all of the shinigami..who have all of a sudden popped out of nowhere...he's most likely trainig though. Can't wait to see his face when he runs into ichigo it is bound to happen sometime. |
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2005-12-21, 17:12 | Link #14 | |
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Status Of Captain or Vice Captain thats why he doesnt have a limiter. And the fact that his bankai gets stronger every attack made his victory. |
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2005-12-21, 17:22 | Link #15 |
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Ok, first post in a while...
Seemed like some people are upset with this "power up". I wouldn't think of this as a "power up" since it is a form of restriction (for a purpose too). Ironically, before this chapter, people were upset with how weak the good guys are... Back on topic, having only 3 petals left, I think Hitsugaya may still need some help unless they go for a "most powerful attack" vs "most powerful attack" to end the fight. Or would he give us a shocker? |
2005-12-21, 17:25 | Link #16 | |
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Did it ever state that only Captain and Vice Captain level shinigami had a restriction on their power? And yes, Ikkaku's strength is very "unrealistic". If he could beat his opponent (even if only by a hair)..shouldn't Hitsugaya and Matsumoto be able to defeat this guy? However, we should take into account the strength of the Arrancar...Il forte (he's the one they are fighting right? I always get them confused..) could be more powerful than the one that Ikkaku faced. However, if he wasn't..well..then that is just pathetic. And..Ichigo beat Ikkaku...which would mean that he is waay stronger than someone who is "stronger" than a captain. Very unrealistic. |
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2005-12-21, 17:50 | Link #20 |
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No offence, but this whole power limiter thing is really getting out of hand. The scenario they're in are totally different from the Rukia capture one, and they had time to wait for permission from the upper-ups while fighting enemies they themselves claim to be stronger than captains? Way unrealistic if you ask me.
And Ikkaku not having a limiter itself is a plot hole. Even when Ikkaku kept his Bankai a secret, it's already a clear fact that he's at a VC level. Just because he's not in rank, he doesn't get a limiter when he's fully as capable as the others. Nonsense. *Sighs* With this level of development, I think it's clear that all of the Arrankar will lose except probably Grimjoww. Then again, he's fighting the "main character" Kubo, is it so hard to let the Shinigamis actually lose, and needing their butt saved by....someone, Ryuken, Vizards, etc. I don't particularly enjoy seeing the repetition of the shounen formula no. XX. "Good Guys Almost Always Overcome the Odds." |
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