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Rich · 2006-08-09, 08:44

ummm...

1. no more uber uber gay pwning gundams : i.e Strike-Freedom, Akatsuki, Infinite Justice is okay tho

2. Strike-freedom killing the whole zaft....

neilz · 2006-08-09, 09:08

1. Lessen the Army size or give Lacus Faction more allies.

2. Change the Gundams in Lacus Faction since they are designed to combat large armies into at least small scale battle. If point 1 is applied.

asaqe · 2006-08-09, 13:26

Personally, the reason I feel the only way to improve GSD is by making it Akin to "Kill Them all" Tomino's Zeta was because of how successful they were. Ideon managed to start this whole gloomy robot series, Zeta everyone loved along with most of the UC. Dunbine many liked. I mean how else is GSD going to attone itself, maybe have both Shinn and Kira kill each other (or even Athrun) as well as Luna dying. That would have made GSD fitting.

Obi-Wan · 2006-08-09, 14:36

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Originally Posted by asaqe

Personally, the reason I feel the only way to improve GSD is by making it Akin to "Kill Them all" Tomino's Zeta was because of how successful they were. Ideon managed to start this whole gloomy robot series, Zeta everyone loved along with most of the UC. Dunbine many liked. I mean how else is GSD going to attone itself, maybe have both Shinn and Kira kill each other (or even Athrun) as well as Luna dying. That would have made GSD fitting.

Actually I think Zeta (and Victory) are two of the worst Gundam series in existence, so please don't speak for everyone.

[UKE]Auel · 2006-08-09, 14:42

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Originally Posted by asaqe

Personally, the reason I feel the only way to improve GSD is by making it Akin to "Kill Them all" Tomino's Zeta was because of how successful they were. Ideon managed to start this whole gloomy robot series, Zeta everyone loved along with most of the UC. Dunbine many liked. I mean how else is GSD going to attone itself, maybe have both Shinn and Kira kill each other (or even Athrun) as well as Luna dying. That would have made GSD fitting.

BARF. This is a thread about ideas that would improve Destiny, not ideas on how to make it a lame series. After I finished watching Zeta, the only thing that came to mind was "Thank god that's over", because as "real" as death is, it's not so real if you kill 90% of the cast. It just becomes a caricature of real life and only further establishes that it's a cheap gimick used by Tomino to try and pass off a good story. I think the Zeta movies prove that he is out of his mind and doesn't quite know what he's going for. The only difference between him and Fukuda is that he just knows how to cover his tracks better when he tells a crappy story.

shaolo · 2006-08-09, 14:50

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Originally Posted by asaqe

Personally, the reason I feel the only way to improve GSD is by making it Akin to "Kill Them all" Tomino's Zeta was because of how successful they were. Ideon managed to start this whole gloomy robot series, Zeta everyone loved along with most of the UC. Dunbine many liked. I mean how else is GSD going to attone itself, maybe have both Shinn and Kira kill each other (or even Athrun) as well as Luna dying. That would have made GSD fitting.

The "Kill Them all" thing is just one of many things that make Zeta a good series(I haven't seen Ideon or Dunbine).

Puting it in GSD may help or kill it a bit if it's done right.

[UKE]Auel · 2006-08-09, 14:52

There is no right way to tell a good story with "Kill 'em All" mindsets.

asaqe · 2006-08-09, 15:00

Why is that?

[UKE]Auel · 2006-08-09, 15:05

Mostly because of everything I said in my previous reply.

Anh_Minh · 2006-08-09, 15:10

Aw, come on. It'll be great for a third season! Gundam Seed: Buckets of Blood.

(Seriously: wanting all the characters to live happily ever after is childish. Wanting them all to die is adolescent.)

asaqe · 2006-08-09, 15:10

Fine, have it your way. But Kill Them Tomino is what made gundam work.

[UKE]Auel · 2006-08-09, 15:14

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Originally Posted by Anh_Minh

Aw, come on. It'll be great for a third season! Gundam Seed: Buckets of Blood.

(Seriously: wanting all the characters to live happily ever after is childish. Wanting them all to die is adolescent.)

Not really. They're about equally as childish.

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Originally Posted by asaqe

Fine, have it your way. But Kill Them Tomino is what made gundam work.

Someone alert the presses then, because thanks to others Gundam has kept working and has improved since he left the franchise.

Skyfall · 2006-08-09, 15:16

Stop with the killfest, its not going to make a good show if you will just kill off all the main cast in the end. I cant see that improving anything. (someone should die from 'teh good team' but not all.) Like Cagali.

I personally hate when all the cast start dying. You dont like happy endings ? good for you, there are far more bitter-sweet and unhappy than happy ones, might as well enjoy the happy ones.

Altho i dont know what is so happy about it anyway - millions of people were killed anyway, the fact that 3 main characters and their girlfriends survived is nothing to cry over about. (Yea, and one GF died earlier and another got replaced, so not so happy after all for everyone. The only ones who got out dry are Kira and Lacus, but thats Lacus dust and Freedom figure sales for you )

shaolo · 2006-08-09, 15:24

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Originally Posted by asaqe

Fine, have it your way. But Kill Them Tomino is what made gundam work.

Actually war, conflict and teen pilots is what made gundam work.

Demongod86 · 2006-08-10, 00:11

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Originally Posted by Obi-Wan

Yes the one hit KO needs to go.

Demongod I'm pretty sure there is lots of Lacus x Mia hentai if you need to get your fix. If you find some PM me the link.

Hentai? Ewwww...angel bath hot springs? TEH WIN!

Nightengale · 2006-08-10, 00:35

This has slightly diverted from it's original intention....(( Means that Shinn would still be owned in record time, but changing the dialogues and method of presentation to make it look convincing. Some of the ideas presented here would mean that GSD would have to add like an episode or 2. ))

Whatever.

Anyway, this whole Kill Them All mindset to improve GSD is totally bull. To me, character deaths are only meaningful when they serve a true purpose and are emotionally captivating and powerful at the same time. Killing a character for the sake of adding the kill count/for the heck of it is pathetically dumb of an idea.

X was good. Turn A was good. G was good. Did all of that employ Let's Kill Them All? No.

wingdarkness · 2006-08-10, 00:39

^You ain't got to kill'em all, but goddamnit kill one of 'em...

Hell I rather you "kill'em all" than "flashback'em all..."

[UKE]Auel · 2006-08-10, 01:19

Sorry, I'd rather have my cast mostly alive and have a bunch of flashbacks than have most of them dead.

Shinji103 · 2006-08-10, 07:25

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Originally Posted by wingdarkness

^You ain't got to kill'em all, but goddamnit kill one of 'em...

Hell I rather you "kill'em all" than "flashback'em all..."

Great quote material here.

Obi-Wan · 2006-08-10, 08:44

The only death I would add into Destiny would be to have Luna go between Athrun and Shinn in the last episode to try and break it em up, but it's too late and Shinn ends up killing her by accident. This kind of almost happened except Shinn was legitimately trying to kill her and Athrun stopped him. If it was accidental like Amuro killing Lalah, it would totally mind fuck the hell out of Shinn and probably make him a better person in the end.

Of course Shinn would still probably find some way to blame Cagalli, Orb, or even Athrun for that and any good development would be shitcanned before it even got off the ground.

2006-08-09, 13:26	Link #63
asaqe Augumented Paranoia Join Date: Nov 2003	Personally, the reason I feel the only way to improve GSD is by making it Akin to "Kill Them all" Tomino's Zeta was because of how successful they were. Ideon managed to start this whole gloomy robot series, Zeta everyone loved along with most of the UC. Dunbine many liked. I mean how else is GSD going to attone itself, maybe have both Shinn and Kira kill each other (or even Athrun) as well as Luna dying. That would have made GSD fitting. __________________ Old McDonald had a farm...Eyey Eyey O...And on his farm he had a Khzithak...Eyey Eyey O...With a ARHHFAHHAAAAAAAAARRRGIIIAAA HELP AAAUUU HELP! IT'S GNAWING OFF MY...

2006-08-09, 15:00	Link #68
asaqe Augumented Paranoia Join Date: Nov 2003	Why is that? __________________ Old McDonald had a farm...Eyey Eyey O...And on his farm he had a Khzithak...Eyey Eyey O...With a ARHHFAHHAAAAAAAAARRRGIIIAAA HELP AAAUUU HELP! IT'S GNAWING OFF MY...

2006-08-09, 15:10	Link #71
asaqe Augumented Paranoia Join Date: Nov 2003	Fine, have it your way. But Kill Them Tomino is what made gundam work. __________________ Old McDonald had a farm...Eyey Eyey O...And on his farm he had a Khzithak...Eyey Eyey O...With a ARHHFAHHAAAAAAAAARRRGIIIAAA HELP AAAUUU HELP! IT'S GNAWING OFF MY...

2006-08-09, 15:16	Link #73
Skyfall Lost in my dreams... Join Date: Jun 2006 Age: 37	Stop with the killfest, its not going to make a good show if you will just kill off all the main cast in the end. I cant see that improving anything. (someone should die from 'teh good team' but not all.) Like Cagali. I personally hate when all the cast start dying. You dont like happy endings ? good for you, there are far more bitter-sweet and unhappy than happy ones, might as well enjoy the happy ones. Altho i dont know what is so happy about it anyway - millions of people were killed anyway, the fact that 3 main characters and their girlfriends survived is nothing to cry over about. (Yea, and one GF died earlier and another got replaced, so not so happy after all for everyone. The only ones who got out dry are Kira and Lacus, but thats Lacus dust and Freedom figure sales for you ) __________________

2006-08-10, 00:39	Link #77
wingdarkness Retweet Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: ニュー・オーリンズ、LA	^You ain't got to kill'em all, but goddamnit kill one of 'em... Hell I rather you "kill'em all" than "flashback'em all..." __________________ Fly since ↔...

2006-08-09, 08:44	Link #61
Rich AnimeSuki's Hentai-sama Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Hong Kong	ummm... 1. no more uber uber gay pwning gundams : i.e Strike-Freedom, Akatsuki, Infinite Justice is okay tho 2. Strike-freedom killing the whole zaft....

2006-08-09, 09:08	Link #62
neilz Member Join Date: Aug 2006	1. Lessen the Army size or give Lacus Faction more allies. 2. Change the Gundams in Lacus Faction since they are designed to combat large armies into at least small scale battle. If point 1 is applied.

2006-08-09, 14:52	Link #67
[UKE]Auel The Oncoming Storm Join Date: Oct 2004 Age: 40	There is no right way to tell a good story with "Kill 'em All" mindsets.

2006-08-09, 15:05	Link #69
[UKE]Auel The Oncoming Storm Join Date: Oct 2004 Age: 40	Mostly because of everything I said in my previous reply.

2006-08-09, 15:10	Link #70
Anh_Minh I disagree with you all. Join Date: Dec 2005	Aw, come on. It'll be great for a third season! Gundam Seed: Buckets of Blood. (Seriously: wanting all the characters to live happily ever after is childish. Wanting them all to die is adolescent.)

2006-08-10, 00:35	Link #76
Nightengale ~Night of Gales~ Author Join Date: Dec 2005	This has slightly diverted from it's original intention....(( Means that Shinn would still be owned in record time, but changing the dialogues and method of presentation to make it look convincing. Some of the ideas presented here would mean that GSD would have to add like an episode or 2. )) Whatever. Anyway, this whole Kill Them All mindset to improve GSD is totally bull. To me, character deaths are only meaningful when they serve a true purpose and are emotionally captivating and powerful at the same time. Killing a character for the sake of adding the kill count/for the heck of it is pathetically dumb of an idea. X was good. Turn A was good. G was good. Did all of that employ Let's Kill Them All? No.

2006-08-10, 01:19	Link #78
[UKE]Auel The Oncoming Storm Join Date: Oct 2004 Age: 40	Sorry, I'd rather have my cast mostly alive and have a bunch of flashbacks than have most of them dead.

2006-08-10, 08:44	Link #80
Obi-Wan Hello there Fansubber Join Date: Jan 2006	The only death I would add into Destiny would be to have Luna go between Athrun and Shinn in the last episode to try and break it em up, but it's too late and Shinn ends up killing her by accident. This kind of almost happened except Shinn was legitimately trying to kill her and Athrun stopped him. If it was accidental like Amuro killing Lalah, it would totally mind fuck the hell out of Shinn and probably make him a better person in the end. Of course Shinn would still probably find some way to blame Cagalli, Orb, or even Athrun for that and any good development would be shitcanned before it even got off the ground. __________________