2010-09-06, 21:33 | Link #17381 | |
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Shannontrice is most definitely the culprit of the second order mystery in my opinion.
Yasu is always the culprit, right? Plus Will's role was to solve the second order mysteries and he pointed his finger to Yasu. Even in the remote chance that there is another culprit, Will should have at least mentioned him. I mean the second order mystery was created by Beatrice, she must have set a culprit and Will must have found it. whydunnit, howdunnit and whodunnit! You can't really solve a mystery without the three of them. Quote:
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2010-09-06, 21:34 | Link #17382 | |
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Like Meta-Beatrice being bullied by Lambda and Bern, I think real Beatrice is suffering the same thing. Ofc, the only proof for that is in the Meta World. I still can't figure out what or who Lambda and Bern are supposed to be. |
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2010-09-06, 21:41 | Link #17383 |
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@Oliver:
Considering the number of lies and performances floating around the game boards, I don't know that you can say they're pure second-order fictions either. They're more like an unknown mixture of second- and third-order fictions that have to be pried apart to make sense of them.
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2010-09-06, 21:42 | Link #17384 | |
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I have faith in all these characters, I really do. But that's not what I paid for. What I paid for is a satisfying story, whether it be a mystery-satisfying good end (In which someone dies horribly), or a character good end (In which there is no culprit and then there was cake). What I think he will give us is Beatrice's 'truth'. Which will have a lot of character love and hate, an answer who really created Beato, and will basically exploit Beato's heart, etc., etc. It'll answer the riddle 'Who am I?', but would not go back and actually explain the murders and who committed them. In short, a billion character lecture on why understanding the heart of the culprit is important, too.
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2010-09-06, 21:49 | Link #17385 | |
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Think about all the things Beatrice has done. Also think about everything that Clair said. There's absolutely no way that Beatrice didn't wish for Battler to understand something, and that many of her actions were done for that end. There's a mountain of evidence here. At best you can say that there is a culprit that takes advantage of Beatrice's plan. You have the evidence of Beatrice asking Lambda to create the greatest mystery story. You have the evidence of Beatrice knowing every single trick used in the games You have the evidence of Beatrice in Ep7 claiming that she decided to leave everything to fate in a Kinzo-style gamble, wishing for a miracle to occur. there is a 99% certainty that Beatrice developed a sort of mystery game which had as at least one of its purposes to test Battler's ability to understand everything.
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2010-09-06, 21:51 | Link #17386 | |
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And then EP5 rolls around, and we get the "man from 19 years ago" story. There's that number again, and we've got another dubious tale of guilt about causing someone to fall off a cliff. So that got me thinking that it's two fake stories with a common inspiration.
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2010-09-06, 21:54 | Link #17387 | |||
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Something curious happened there, I'm not sure what exactly, but I think this is important to the big puzzle. Quote:
That is, second order fiction is Knox/Dine-incomplete, it doesn't have an "aha" moment. Notice that Ep5 might have one. Natsuhi frameup scene happens well before the bomb hits, and Battler is about to present his own theory, but instead of seeing it, we skip right to the endgame answer session with Meta-Battler.
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2010-09-06, 21:57 | Link #17388 | ||
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2010-09-06, 22:01 | Link #17390 | |
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2010-09-06, 22:03 | Link #17391 | |
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But you made a good example there. Even in the case of the explosion there was absolutely no reason to doubt it, and Ryuukishi made it quite clear in that very interview. It was obvious, blatant.
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2010-09-06, 22:06 | Link #17392 | |
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2010-09-06, 22:10 | Link #17393 |
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A father figure? If she saw him as a father figure she'd call him otousama or something. She calls him Kinzo.
As for the talk with Kinzo that could have happened in any time and you can't expect Ryuukishi to draw her pregnant anyway. Anyway if you question that Beatrice2 had a child you don't just question Rosa you question half of EP7.
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2010-09-06, 22:13 | Link #17394 |
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I really hate repeating myself and the search sucks. It has been about 500 posts ago on my posting history, which means you probably can't find it there either.
That's the problem with forums. A very short list without the supporting arguments:
It could be that instead of coming to Kuwadorian through the hole in the fence, which is problematic, Rosa actually found it from inside and ran away with Beatrice-2 as an act of defiance.
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2010-09-06, 22:13 | Link #17395 |
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For people disappointed in the mystery angle, consider a few of the following prospects:
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2010-09-06, 22:27 | Link #17396 | |||
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Furthermore, while I expect Ryuukishi to be lazy about characters, I don't expect him to be lazy about backgrounds, which means the conversation took place in spring or summer. I also don't expect him to use his lazy character art to disguise important aspects of the characters' appearance, and the manga and the anime both agreed that she didn't look pregnant. Quote:
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2010-09-06, 22:29 | Link #17397 | |
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Maybe Beatrice didn't want to accept the baby. Postpartum depression is not so uncommon and it's often associated with a refusal of maternity. It seemed that Beatrice was somehow depressed to begin with, it is also hinted that she didn't really want to be Kinzo's mistress. It's not so far fetched to imagine she didn't want to be the mother of his sons either. Why odd? Kinzo begun losing it since Beatrice Castiglioni died. He deluded himself into believing Beatrice2 was her reincarnation, but that Beatrice2 died which means in his eyes that Beatrice escaped him again. He only had that last hope, Beatrice3, but she also died. At that point Kinzo lost it completely. Quote:
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2010-09-06, 22:37 | Link #17400 |
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Ep7 says it is so. It's truthfulness is very much in dispute, and Kinzo's testimony in particular is practically surrounded by oddities -- for one, he simply vanishes before it's done.
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