2007-08-24, 11:26 | Link #41 |
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yBP6y3iCHLI&NR=1 - there ya go ! :P
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2007-08-24, 11:44 | Link #42 | |
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I don't like the new character designs, I really don't like how everyone is no longer chibi.
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2007-08-24, 23:29 | Link #46 |
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About my philosophical question, I wasn't asking whether the guy would still go to jail or whether it was still seriously wrong(as if a 9-year-old F-cup wasn't wrong enough). I was asking whether physical attraction to a 9-year-old who puts most 20-year-old models to shame could be called lolicon or pedo in a psychological sense. Just like the question of whether attraction to adults who look like grade-schoolers is off somehow, is the health of physical/psychological desire dependent on real or apparent age. Anyway, I didn't mean this in any serious sense. I just figured, if a tree falling in a forest with no one to hear it makes no sound, then maybe a man falling for a kid who no one could think of as a kid isn't a freak.
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2007-08-25, 10:55 | Link #48 | |
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The fact is that Zakuro has a completely developed body so, in terms of physical condition, she isn't a child. (well, this would be more accurate if we knew if her sexual organs are actually developed or not, but judging by her breast size, i think it's reasonable to assume that) On the other hand, we have to take into account the development of her mind. This is the real matter here because no one can say that zakuro doesn't behave like a child. In fact, her behaviour and not her body is the reason author can say "she's a nine-years-old little girl" Also, her childish mind is what makes her so innocent and consequently so vulnerable to, for put a canon example, sakura's dirty thoughts. So, as long as you can take advantage of her no mature mind, manipulate it, and make zakuro do what you want her to do, i thing the age she looks like doesn't matter. But this is my humble opinion anyway... |
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2007-08-25, 12:59 | Link #49 |
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Very true.
The problem is, (in this little hypothetical) if a girl of unknown age should pass you by and the guy next to you should catch you staring, he might say, "You're sick. She's only nine years old." Then you might (try at least) to strike those initial thoughts from your mind, and , certainly upon meeting the girl, treat her with the respect and care one might treat a friend's little sister. You treat her that way because she is nine, despite how she looks. But that initial reaction is something that you can't control. Physical attraction is like that: reactive. What separates the monsters from the good guys is whether or not they take the whole person into account, mind and body. |
2007-08-25, 13:07 | Link #50 |
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In the real world, that would be 100% true. Unfortunately, in anime, few adult women are even Zakuro's mental age. For that matter, in anime, the intelligence and maturity of a woman frequently tends to be inversely related to the size of her chest. That's with the obvious exception of comedy teachers, who generally stay relatively smart but instead grow more perverse with cup sizes.
Anyway, I wasn't asking about legitimate intent to take advantage of her or pursue such relations. Regardless of physical, mental or actual age, wanting to take advantage of a woman or pursue a relationship solely for the possibility of getting to do something with her is simply disgusting. I was simply talking about the basic physical desire that is about as restrained in a teen's body as a pitbull is restrained with a leash made of floss. I guess this is really an even sillier question than I'd meant. I suppose it could come to this: 1. If he's attracted to her because she's so well-endowed, he's a healthy guy but likes them bigger than they should be. 2. If he's attracted to her because she's a kid or because she may be easily tricked, then he's a sick freak who likes them much bigger than they should be. 3. If he's attracted to her because she's an angel, he's a masochist. |
2007-08-25, 13:46 | Link #51 |
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Well...
The fact is that zakuro is a child with a very fine woman body right? Now, let's put two simple scenarios: 1. You see zakuro sleeping in a park. She's resting quietly, so the only thing you can see is a fine let's put twenty-years-old-woman lain on the grass. Then, you note you feel attracted to her. 2. Same scenario, but you see a awaked zakuro playing childishly with the grass and birds of the park. After seeing that, you feel attracted to her. I suppose everyone notes the difference here. In the first case, you're attracted by a women, in the second, you're attracted by a so-called woman that acts like a child. So, if the question is ¿is right to feel attracted by a 9-years-girl with woman body? my answer can change if we are in the first or second snecario, because when you find out that zakuro behaves like a child despite of her body and even then you're attracted to her, I'll have to suppose that you aren't looking for a woman. So, essentially, i agree with your 1 and 2 answers. About the 3, well, angels are not as bad, I mean, zabato-chan is kind of cute and zakuro...yeah, probably the same. The only scary, crazy "angel" is dokuro xd. |
2007-08-25, 14:49 | Link #52 |
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I'm just a teenage boy so my opinion on this is a null really, but if you think he's pedo for liking Zakuro then I think it's just how you interpret the meaning. She may be 9, but she looks like shes 20, after all this is an anime and that isn't really something uncommon. If you lived with her and maybe you knew her better you wouldn't be as perverse (not in my case) and understand that in age she's only 9, but if you're not that familiar she's a hot 20 year old. If this were a real life issue then well it would probably be something much different... to "help" with this case I also decided to upload this video. :S http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HAtHrBQcUig
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2007-08-25, 16:37 | Link #54 |
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Wow, i don't remember the first series of Dokuro-chan being THAT INSANE. They truly went over the limits with this, and its only the start of the second season. Censorship doesn't bother me at all, 'cause it delivers a different kind of humor to when you can see whats going on. Its good to see that Zakuro (eyepatch <3) is still a big ball of love.
Oh yeah~
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2007-08-27, 13:53 | Link #55 | |
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Anyway, as I stated before, most characters I've seen with exaggerated characteristics are either arrogant idiots or have the mind of a first-grader. Frankly, in anime it seems like the best bet in order to avoid dating a minor is to find a girl who looks 25 and acts 5. Anyway, this has sort of gone off topic. I said that only as a bad joke, and the only reason I like Loli stuff is the amusing lengths producers go to to explain why a character dating his kid sister is not guilty of pedophilia or incest. Back to topic, I'm really wondering whether they'll manage to produce a real plot behind all the blood. I mean, I don't see how this could end well, especially with so much sadistic insanity. Not that it'd be bad as simply a bloodfest-comedy. |
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2007-08-27, 14:06 | Link #56 | ||
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2007-08-28, 10:12 | Link #57 | |
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- feeling attracted by Zakuro when you see her in bikini (the bath scene from episode 2) - and feeling attracted by her even when she said (referring to her bikinni) that maybe it was too early for her. Forget por a while that you know she's 9. Let's supose you don't know any clue about her age except her body, and you had assumed she's 20. When you hear that a so-called 20-years-old woman tells you with a blushed face and innocent voice that probably she's underage to wear bikini, the most logical thought is IMO, ¿what's wrong with this woman? So, even though i'm talking about zakuro, i try to answer your original question [B]in general[B] without taking into account de crazy side of tha angel. Returning to the topic, i also wonder what kind of plot we have to expect from this series. I mean, in the first season the "plot" was almost an excuse to show us funny gore and blood comedy. I don't know if this time this will be different but, at least, i've seen a new and quite interesting character in the opening, don't know if is another angel or someone else but sure she've something to say. to mdauben Well, i don't know if i explained myself clear or not but, i never thought in Zakuro as a loli. Here i completely agree with you; it doesn't matter how a perfectly- developed female behaves, she can't be a loli because of her "healthy"appearence. Also, about the mind development i was referring before, a very childish personality doesn't fit with a loli. In fact, a cute little girl that behaves like such, is a cutie, and a cute little girl tha behaves with some sensual, womanly background is a loli. But this is just my opinion of course. |
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2007-08-28, 22:11 | Link #58 |
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Here you have Ending in Dokuro 2.
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2007-08-28, 22:28 | Link #59 |
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Wow. I must admit the ending fits the show very well. Insanity piled upon dementia...
Concerning where this story may go, I'm fine with almost anything, so long as the angels all keep their haloes ON THEIR HEADS!! I can take blood jokes, but leave the bowels alone thank you. |
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