2013-05-19, 17:15 | Link #28462 |
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Fundamental would be "Treat others as you would want to be treated." That social group rule seems to transcend cultures and even species and has scientific underpinning as a survival trait for social species.
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2013-05-19, 18:21 | Link #28463 | ||
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2013-05-19, 18:35 | Link #28464 |
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Suit Alleges IRS Improperly Seized 60 Million Personal Medical Records:
"“These medical records contained intimate and private information of more than 10,000,000 Americans, information that by its nature includes information about treatment for any kind of medical concern, including psychological counseling, gynecological counseling, sexual or drug treatment, and a wide range of medical matters covering the most intimate and private of concerns,” the complaint states. “Despite knowing that these medical records were not within the scope of the warrant, defendants threatened to ‘rip’ the servers containing the medical data out of the building if IT personnel would not voluntarily hand them over,” the complaint reads." See: http://www.forbes.com/sites/scottgot...dical-records/ |
2013-05-19, 19:37 | Link #28466 | |
Love Yourself
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People are intelligent and also think that they are more intelligent than they really are. Did you know that as recently as the late 1850's the world's leading scientists accepted the belief that life formed spontaneously? It was widely believed that there were recipes for creating animals; that mice could be formed from rotting grain, or eels and frogs from mud, or maggots from rotting meat. It took over one century for enough experiments and proof to be delivered that put the issue to rest. We can laugh about it now, but the point is that the leading scientists of the time - the most forward thinkers, the most knowledgeable and curious people - stubbornly held on to that belief, unimpressed by the efforts to prove otherwise. We know a lot more now than we did then, but our brains haven't changed. The general thought processes are the same. You grow up knowing nothing and accept nearly everything that is told to you. When that information is challenged by other information then you are skeptical of the new information. If you have the tools of thought to properly make the comparison then good for you, but many lack that ability. It isn't that they're stupid, either, it's just that many of these topics are beyond their scope of understanding. Another point is to consider how much it really matters. Youngest members on this forum aside, who here on this forum still thinks of Pluto as a planet? We were raised with the world view that Pluto was one of our planets, and quite honestly it doesn't really matter whether we regard it as a planet or not. To be forced into thinking that Pluto isn't a planet feels a bit strange. It might bug some of the people at NASA to think that society isn't accepting that view, but who here knows a NASA scientist? (Besides Vexx, of course.) It's a similar deal with the homosexual marriage issue: people who cling to that belief aren't affected by that belief, and most don't know anyone who is homosexual (or if they do, they don't realize it). There was either a news article or a study indicating that when anti-gay marriage people actually met and interacted with homosexual people then their stance softened. I think they still have the power to do so. There are more reasons than what you're suggesting.
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2013-05-19, 19:56 | Link #28467 |
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Ledgem, I can't quote your entire post because ICS has a crappy interface, but I would like to highlight that Pluto being a planet or not is a scientific fact and will change things for years to come, but whatever beliefs the Catholics hold is based on perspective and has something called "moral merit", and will continue to influence society as long as it retains the value, and people seek reason from things holding such merit to give themselves a sense of righteousness in the face of other people's actions.
Robber barons and pastors are alike in a sense that they think it is their right to espouse some sort of "reality" for the masses, when such is only a perspective that works for each one of us by maintaining our self-esteem.
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2013-05-19, 20:09 | Link #28469 |
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I remember they had to vote for it....=_=
But I'm fine with it as long as Pluto isn't the only dwarf planet in our system....Cause thats would just be mean if it were.
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2013-05-19, 20:12 | Link #28470 |
Gamilas Falls
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Though if Pluto becomes a planet again, we would logically need to add Eris to the list of Planets as the Tenth Planet. It is supposedly larger than Pluto.
Presently Pluto is not the only Dwarf Planet in the system. There are presently five recognized as such: Ceres, Pluto, Huemea, Makemake, and Eris.
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2013-05-19, 20:34 | Link #28471 |
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I know what you are getting at, however my argument is not debating on the definition of whether Pluto is a planet or not.
Debunking a scientific fact will result in major changes being made to how we do research, and may affect scientific teaching materials being validated differently. A belief that espouses right an wrong will only change mindsets within its sphere of influence. Science is a tool, whereas belief is merely a action on the tool. Different actions with a same tool results in different effects.
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2013-05-19, 22:09 | Link #28472 | |
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The big difference between Pluto's status as a planet and one's regard for marriage is other people. Whether or not I believe that Pluto is a planet doesn't really impact anyone. Even if I were to lobby school boards and the government and successfully get them to consider Pluto to be a planet again it would have little effect on people's lives (sorry, astronomers). Yet if I do the same for marriage then people's lives are being affected. Thus the comparison can only go so far, but I bring it up because there are some good parallels with understanding how difficult it can be to give up a particular world view as well as understanding why there may be a lack of feeling the need to alter one's world view.
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2013-05-19, 22:33 | Link #28473 |
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Venezuela says taking steps to restore U.S. diplomatic ties
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/...94J01R20130520 Netanyahu takes aim at weapons leakage in Syria http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/...94I03L20130519
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2013-05-19, 22:42 | Link #28474 |
Obey the Darkly Cute ...
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What Ledgem just said, *taxonomy* isn't "fact", it is a convenient way to sort data by attributes. Pluto matches its brothers out in the Kuiper Belt more closely than the major object we designate "planet'. There is a likewise grey area between planets and stars (extremely large gas planets that emit more radiation than they receive are edgy).
So don't confuse the labels we put on things with the things themselves. None of that has very much to do at all with doctrinal belief systems that may be based on pure irrationality and hallucinogenic visions as much as any logically reasoned theory based on the collection of actual data.
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2013-05-20, 02:32 | Link #28476 | ||
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I think this is the problem I often see in AnimeSuki. The socio-political views of most members here are decidedly left-leaning and very sceptical towards religion and faith in general. While there's nothing wrong with that per se, it becomes problematic when religious people who hold strong doctrinal views are tarred as bigoted madmen incapable of change. When we do that, we effectively alienate the very people we ought to be working with to change mindsets for the better. And that can't possibly bode well for progress. |
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2013-05-20, 02:43 | Link #28477 |
Obey the Darkly Cute ...
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"may be based" ... Besides, if a doctrinal belief system is *colliding* with the facts on the ground, it is by definition a malfunction.
In inertial guidance systems that have learning abilities, we call this "spiraling out into the weeds" -- developing an internal model that does not correspond to reality. All the astronauts reacted fairly profoundly to their space and lunar experiences, Irwin is an outlier to some extent but he was very religious before he left the ground. And just because he was an astronaut doesn't mean he had a clue about archeology or history.
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2013-05-20, 02:45 | Link #28479 |
Logician and Romantic
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James Irwin is a Christian because of where he is born. He didn't become a Christian because he walked on the Moon. If he was Indian he would just as likely to have dedicated the Moon to Vishnu .
So he became more religious than he was originally because he went to the Moon; it doesn't validate his religion because I don't see any Chinese Astronauts turning towards Christ any time soon. If a Chinese astronaut decided to become a Christian preacher after going into Space, do let me know.
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