(L) KimiKiss pure rouge

[golthin]

Originally Posted by littlekitty

This brings up an interesting point. If Kouichi has romantic feelings for Mao, wouldn't he be thinking a lot more about that kiss on the forehead (in epi 10) and feeling guilty about that kiss when he is on dates with and is kissing Yumi? I know Kouichi was curious about Mao and her feelings towards him back in episode 11, but times have changed- (aka Kouichi got a girlfriend)- and those thoughts are now long gone. Just a thought.

maoXkouichi fans, what do you think about this??

well, there is so much they can hammer that point. they have done that like 3 times and they already left it alone and they are now moving to new things, Like kouichi remembering that Mao was distant in the train ride back from the filming in the beach. Notice the time when kouichi was in a burger join with Yuumi, this was before the beach filming. He looked at Yuumi's lips and all of sudden his was reminded of Mao's kiss on the forehead.

[Westlo]

That scene of Kouichi remember Mao's forehead kiss happened in episode 13, he was blushing like crazy after remembering it, "Why did I remember it at a time like this?". Obviously the Hoshino transferring thing put that to the back of his mind but after a few episodes he leaves Hoshino while on a date to go back to check up on Mao. The Mao X Kouichi hints have obviously been dominated by Mao but Kouichi has a fare few as well.

Episode 7 when he sees Mao walking with Kai, the expression on his face when he and Hoshino walk into Mao and Kai at the end of 8, start of episode 11 when he wonders what Mao thinks of him, episode 13 flashback to forehead kiss and than you have him braking off a date with Hoshino in 16.

[littlekitty]

yeah those are good points. now i remember that scene in the restaurant. but i'm not totally convinced of kouichi's feelings for mao presently-- that was back in epi 13 and now we're up to 17. his concerns for mao on the train, at home, etc. could just be caring, brotherly love. i think that more evidence is needed...

And if it turns out Kouichi does love Mao, poor Yumi! (be strong!)

[Westlo]

Yeah but leaving in the middle of a date is a pretty big thing, I mean realistic you would just wait until the next day or when you get home to see what's wrong. Also Kouichi has no idea that Mao likes/loves him so intensely, heck for some period of time he couldn't even talk to her without her bring up Hoshino.

Personally I obviously want a Mao X Kouichi ending but I can see why a lot of people will dislike Mao at the end of the series for putting Kai and maybe Hoshio through what she did. She led Kai on for a long time and she assured Hoshino about... what 3-4 times that she felt nothing for Kouichi.

[golthin]

Originally Posted by Westlo

That scene of Kouichi remember Mao's forehead kiss happened in episode 13, he was blushing like crazy after remembering it, "Why did I remember it at a time like this?". Obviously the Hoshino transferring thing put that to the back of his mind but after a few episodes he leaves Hoshino while on a date to go back to check up on Mao. The Mao X Kouichi hints have obviously been dominated by Mao but Kouichi has a fare few as well.

Episode 7 when he sees Mao walking with Kai, the expression on his face when he and Hoshino walk into Mao and Kai at the end of 8, start of episode 11 when he wonders what Mao thinks of him, episode 13 flashback to forehead kiss and than you have him braking off a date with Hoshino in 16.

well, they need to concentrate on Mao because she is the one that has the most issues about her feelings. This reminds me a lot of "kimagura orange Road" and many other shows where the guy or the girl is forced into another relationship because they don't want to hurt someone.
Madoka,Kyosuke, and Hikaru. Also another show that has something similar is True Tears. the concept in Kimikiss is not unique if you think about. What change is how they get there.

Also, remember that Kouichi was sort of FORCED into the relationship with Yuumi by guess who, MAO. I understand why Mao feels so guilty.

[Lego]

It has been mostly one sided with Mao when you think about it. This is why it's all the more urgent that Mao confess to him and tell him flat out that she loves him. I keep saying this but you just kind of detect this under current between the two when Mao and Kouichi are on screen together. Kouichi cares deeply for Mao, but like we've been saying we're going to have to see if it's love or him just being a big brother. After all that early buildup with Yuumi you'd expect them to be hot and heavy now, but their relationship has kind of stalled.

Depending on when Yuumi's transfer kicks in, there are some benchmarks that we need to keep an eye out for.

1.Mao confessing to Kouichi
2.Kouichi's reaction or his actions after he hears this
3.How they act towards each other after this
4.How Kouichi acts towards Yuumi
5.If Kouichi has any Mao feelings with Yuumi


The spoiler for 19 talks about

Spoiler:

19. true heart
Since Koichi knew the true feelings of Mao, their relationship gets strained. His attitude that he listens Yuumi with only half his mind makes her anxious...

It's kind of interesting because "big bad big sister Mao" who tries to have everything under control at all times is now emotionally a wreck and has just realized after pretty much pushing the guy she deeply loves into a relationship with someone you have to he cares for.

[golthin]

Originally Posted by Lego

It has been mostly one sided with Mao when you think about it. This is why it's all the more urgent that Mao confess to him and tell him flat out that she loves him. I keep saying this but you just kind of detect this under current between the two when Mao and Kouichi are on screen together. Kouichi cares deeply for Mao, but like we've been saying we're going to have to see if it's love or him just being a big brother. After all that early buildup with Yuumi you'd expect them to be hot and heavy now, but their relationship has kind of stalled.

Depending on when Yuumi's transfer kicks in, there are some benchmarks that we need to keep an eye out for.

1.Mao confessing to Kouichi
2.Kouichi's reaction or his actions after he hears this
3.How they act towards each other after this
4.How Kouichi acts towards Yuumi
5.If Kouichi has any Mao feelings with Yuumi


The spoiler for 19 talks about

Spoiler:

19. true heart
Since Koichi knew the true feelings of Mao, their relationship gets strained. His attitude that he listens Yuumi with only half his mind makes her anxious...

It's kind of interesting because "big bad big sister Mao" who tries to have everything under control at all times is now emotionally a wreck and has just realized after pretty much pushing the guy she deeply loves into a relationship with someone you have to he cares for.

lol, Lego! I get the feeling that you are trying to rationalize yourself into thinking that Kouichi doesn't have feelings for Mao in case they pull a trick and Kouichi doesn't end with Mao. I know how you feel, but I am pretty sure now that it will be ok. they solved the kouichi problem LONG time ago with the plot device of the transfer. Kouichi not ending with Mao will be pretty much a Canvas2 or shuffle type of ending.

Spoiler:

The most dangerous obstacle for MaoxKouichi was not Yuumi, it was Kai. They really had all of us fool with the ending of episode 16 to all of sudden end everything in a week. I know you still fear that Kai might comeback and get himself back in, but I doubt it. Most break ups in anime are Final, with a few exeptions, and I hope this is not one of them.

The chances of Kai and Mao dating again are very small and the chances of her going back to France are better.

[Lego]

Oh I know but you know me, I'm not going to breathe that sign of relief until I see Kouichi x Mao share a kiss or them confess to each other. Until then my mind seems to like getting bent out of shape at every little thought of it not ending in a Kouichi x Mao. I took at a look at 13 and you could tell that in 13 with the way he flashes back to Mao kissing him that they were trying to keep that memory alive and tell you "Hes still thinking about Mao".

I have a PM into KM about the two episodes since hes seen them, so hopefully he'll respond giving us an early preview into 18 and some hints about 19. I'd be more comfortable with Kouichi x Mao if when the site updates tomorrow and if it'll has a Kouichi x Mao page along with the staff notes.

[Supah Em]

episode 17 subs now out!

*currently dL`ing*

[Lego]

Originally Posted by supahem

episode 17 subs now out!

*currently dL`ing*

Me to, I want to see exactly what she said to Kai even though it continues into 18 and what Eriko is saying during the preview.

[Westlo]

Nice one! Now to actually know what they say to each other!

[Lego]

I noticed that the guy doing series composition for Kimikiss also did select episode all throughout Scrapped Princess, so it should be interesting. This is why I'm really digging to find those February Newtype spoilers. With us knowing what goes on in 18 for sure and 19 to an extent it would be really nice to have 20 and possibly 21 to go off of.

Does anyone know someone that has access to Newtype Japan's spoiler page?

[Supah Em]

Originally Posted by Lego

Me to, I want to see exactly what she said to Kai even though it continues into 18 and what Eriko is saying during the preview.

Spoiler for what mao said to kai in the final moments:

*i wont be seeing you anymore*

well, that's how i translated it... but BSS may have another wording for it, but its very very near..

[Lego]

I know that much but it's always nice to have an official confirmation of sorts. It looks like from the preview and what we know of 18 that

Spoiler:

they'll pick at the start of 18 with Mao and Kai's breakup then she'll run off

. If I'm getting this hyped up over episodes I already know in 18 and 19, then 20-24 is going to be brutal

[golthin]

Originally Posted by supahem

Spoiler for what mao said to kai in the final moments:

*i wont be seeing you anymore*

well, that's how i translated it... but BSS may have another wording for it, but its very very near..

Spoiler:

Seeing is not very correct. tsukiai=date, go out. Au will be seeing or meeeting, She is not saying she won't see or meet him ever again which will be hard to do. They probably still can see each other but they won't be dating as a couple.

[Lego]

That puts me

Spoiler:

at east a little knowing that she told Kai that she can't date him, and I assume she'll say more at the beginning of 18

. But you know me golthin, any screentime they share from now on 19-24 will have me going through the scene in slow motion

[Lego]

Some episode 17 notes

Spoiler:

So Mao has been going out with Kai pretty much the whole week, Kouichi rarely sees her.
Kouichi is talking about Mao big time with Yuumi but then he says he has to treasure her...
Mao asks Kai if he likes her, Kai says yeah but then Mao says "maybe I like you to"
The whole episode Kai is really picking up on Mao being distant, one would think if Mao would just explain that she loves Kouichi to him that he might even help
It was Mao's idea to live with Kouichi
The movie scene really changes Mao's mind but in a way it could be an eerie foreshadowing if Kouichi goes with Yuumi and Kai is around
Mao leaves saying she had something to do, Kouichi is worried
Yep, she tells him "um... I can't go out with you anymore"

The next episode preview is interesting, here is what Eriko says:

"Why Do people fall in love?"
"People' feelings change"
You will only suffer when you care seriously for someone
If so, you should stay alone right from the start

I tell you one thing after sitting through that episode subbed with all of the hints from Kouichi and Mao they better have a Kouichi x Mao ending. To do anything else after making Kouichi x Mao fans sit through 17 episodes of it, especially episode 17 would be devastating. Its like they've been teasing us the whole series only to pull the rug out from under us at the end... I hope not.

[Master Chibi]

Yes, I'm absurdly happy.

Now let's get Kouichi to break up with Hoshino and we're all good.

Let's go, let's go, let's go!

[golthin]

Originally Posted by Lego

Some episode 17 notes

Spoiler:

Mao asks Kai if he likes her, Kai says yeah but then Mao says "maybe I like you to"

Spoiler:

Ok i have to say something about the "Maybe", I watched the episode raw and I don't hear anything about maybe. Most likely the translator or the editor is taking some liberties due to what happens at the end of the episode and what we all know , also Mao's voice gives you a feeling of a "maybe" to give the people that can't tell those differences in emotion a hand understanding how she feels. Verbatim, Mao just say "Me too". Most time a girl will say the whole thing and not use "me too". That is why I think they use Maybe in that line.

[Lego]

From your mouth to the staffs ears