2012-12-20, 08:30 | Link #6745 |
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Because if Cypha wanted to kill Signum, she would have cut off the latter's head. Signum was at her mercy; Cypha could have done anything o finish her. Medical technology is higher in this world, and thus a simple stab wound to the stomach is easily survivable. But she needed to put Signum down good enough to allow them to escape.
Perhaps a bit overboard, but this is Cypha, so it's also a good way of showing the Hucks have differences between them, too. |
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2012-12-20, 15:35 | Link #6747 | |
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For any normal person, those wounds would have been quite fatal. If not death by shock, they'd die of bloodloss quite rapidly. |
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By the time Cypha didn't had a freaking idea of who Signum was (hell, i bet she didn't even knows who she is by now xDU). Quote:
Also it seems you're overestimating Mid-Childa's medical competence. Nanoha was put on recovery for over an entire year for much less than that ...and Nanoha is noticeably stronger than Signum. Heck, according to some fans, Mid-childan medicine is so lame they can't even fix the hand of a magical kngiht and had to replace it with a robotic prosthesis xDU The only way such contrived theory can work is if the managa itself confrims that. I think it work better as Justin put it: Cypha don't care about killing her victims until orders or strong circunstances force her to spare their lives (remember she was hapilly ready to finish off Quinn right on the spot until Tohma intervened xDU).
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2012-12-20, 15:52 | Link #6749 |
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I`m pretty sure Cypha was serious about killing that public servant the first time... It`s not fresh to my mind, but I think Cypha said something about Signum`s death serving as an example and the whole... you know... "Now die".
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And at this point, I'd say any benefit Signum had as a defense program as far as injuries and such go, is probably gone. Vita had already noticed that they were healing slower as time went on. So I'd say Signum was close enough to being human to survive that as a normal human. But I'd restate that, if Cypha wanted to make sure Signum was dead, cutting off the head would have made sure of it. But on closer inspection, as it relates to the main point, Cypha may not have known Signum was TSAB, and thus didn't know to hold back. She only called Signum a public servant, and thus could have thought Signum was a local authority. |
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2012-12-20, 19:34 | Link #6751 |
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Signum was kind enough to identify herself as a member of SD6 and the TSAB so Cypha did knew she was a member of the Bureau and she beat the ever living shit out of her, even saying that with her death they will learn to mess around with the family. And as I say before Cypha kill 12 officers on a village Signum and her subordinates visit a few months away, again establish by Signum, and showing the Hückebein not caring if they kill officers or not. That is why I say their later reticence is a little odd and not really consistent with their previous self. Feels more like a thing the author put there to end the battle without blood and while not bad itself, I do need to point it out as a flaw on the plot. Just that.
In the end Cypha didn’t go all about to kill Signum but she need to take Thoma and run before the rest of the SD6 come around and you could say she was sure Signum will die from her wounds, which seeing how severe they were is not a bad assumption at all.
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2012-12-20, 22:19 | Link #6754 |
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^ Probably the inconsistency lies with assuming every officer would get the same treatment and they don't. What Curren most likely means is kill officers of fame or importance. Hayate is well known in the Bureau, even Curren said as much. I doubt the TSAB would go on a crusade for a dozen grunts, but one famous commander will cause some swift action. Furthermore, most members of SS6 are talented and well known mages and future elite. StrikerS brought that up by Teana mentioning that in episode 8.
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2012-12-20, 22:23 | Link #6755 |
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Maybe, but it will still make as much sense kill them to show up how strong you are. In the end there isn't a real wrong or right on that matter just the way you wish to take on the matter and Cypha seem to take the killing one, Curren later decide to stop it and to be fair they could just end everything there. Is just so odd to see a bad guy winning and then leaving, no matter how you try to explain it, when there isn't any threat from the good guys that could force them to.
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2012-12-20, 23:23 | Link #6757 |
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Indeed, that is my point. Because how important and centric was the Book of Darkness to the plot. Here the Silver Cross was present as something similar and maybe even related to and ends being just a side note. When the thing that is meant to have the entire solution to the Eclipse falls on the hands of the good guys and they don't do anything with it, as show when three months happen in a row without an incident, I am starting to believe this wasn't important and make the characters that were working so hard on getting their hands on it in the first act look like idiots.
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2012-12-21, 00:01 | Link #6758 |
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I'm not sure the point you are making, nor how the Book of Darkness came into this... the book of the Silver Cross is needed only to help more eclipse infectees(presumably) or some other nefarious purpose. The bad guys would want this. The good guys want to prevent it. It's not even clear the good guys know exactly what the Silver Cross book can and can't do. I think the whole point is, that's why they want Thoma, so they can study it. Shamal even says as much.
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I know they are different. What my point is that they are both the focus of the story. Like any other Lost Logia in all Nanoha seasons. You see in the first season the Jewel Seeds play a key role and while their hunt was put down to the side to make room for Nanoha and Fate friendship, they still were important for the antagonist to be use and to the main characters to keep a track off. Even force the final battle between Nanoha and Fate, something I am sure Fate did try to avoid in the past.
On A’s the Book of Darkness is even more central to the story and all the characters move and act because of it. The Wolkenritter want to complete it to save Hayate who is dying because of the book and the main characters knows that if they end the book it will be a disaster. So really who has a hold of that thing can change everything. If the main characters were to take the Book of Darkness away or all the Jewel Seeds away on the first season, the plot will be affected and the antagonist will react to such actions with a need and a rather fast and aggressive moves, because the Lost Logia is something that they are actually needing or want to. What I am saying is that, in the end, the position of the Lost Logias will make for a plot change device while here the bad guys seem to take it rather well, to the point you even might ask if they even care. Yes, I say to study Thoma and the Silver Cross but it has been 3 months and rather to study it is has been more like Thoma just training to become a new character. You see this is the kind of things Force fails to me. In three months it was made no progress on the Eclipse and the bad guys don’t care like they did first, sending not one but two of their members to the field to get the Silver Cross and even ending going almost all of them at once. The story had a rather “fast” pacing and then goes back to the classic “emergency of the week” that we have on StrikerS ruining the feeling, the setting and the story so far, because is a story killer move. How is that? Well, if everything was a race to get the Silver Cross and they get the Silver Cross… what now? You see, I am saying that they already got it. The main goal was solve half way in, so the rest isn’t really important but since we can’t end here we need to now move the focus from this to the other stuff that wasn’t important until now. The need of the author to just set Thoma as your standard Nanoha bureau mage character make him just put Thoma there and move him away from what I did consider a superior story. At least superior at this thing we have now.
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Also the impalement serves better dramatic purpouses in storytelling than decapitation. Sure, decapitation is more effective but that way you wouldn't be able to leve the fandom in expectation about if Signum will or not make it ...a heavy double slash through the entire torso, arms and legs followed by an impalement provoked by a broadsword in the center of the abdomen (you know, one of the vital areas of the human body) is a rise a high possibility of death, even by mid-Childan medicine standards (the fact no one was near enough to provid Signum with immediate first aid also rised the risk ...so my point of Cypha K.O.-ing Agito), we can't be so easyly sure Signum could survive that which was kind of the point xDU Decapitation would be an instant death which leaves no doubt whatsoever which is only usefull if Tsuzuki wants to kill someone for sure without any doubts. Quote:
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If Signum's life wasn't in any mortal peril there wouldn't be any tension but Hayate, Agito and Rein were very (and understandably) worried. Well, that was explained alreayd on posts above. I also doubt thatg was the case xDU
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