2011-10-18, 17:47 | Link #281 | |
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On a slightly more serious note, I've always assumed it was due to the rather misguided idea that using a weak/pathetic character gives the author a bigger canvas for character growth. Personally, I think "character growth" is incredibly over-emphasized when it comes to the constituents of what makes a good story, as plenty of my favorite stories had very little character growth. But, I'm not an author, or perhaps more importantly, publisher, that has access to marketing data that shows what the general public wants.
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2011-10-18, 18:00 | Link #282 |
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Ouch. 9th definitely took a painful route in order to survive. Not easy to rationalize that getting stabbed in the eye is actually better than the cellphone getting stabbed. Obviously the phone goes so does she, but convincing herself that the phone is like a vital organ can't be that easy.
Yuki did alright in the end. Not surprising he's having all these breakdowns. Go from living quietly and now suddenly it's all about him. Actually convincing himself to use Yuno in the beginning. Might as well since her instincts and skills are up there. Of course everyone else is damned as we saw when she ran past all those classrooms. You do something that appears to be betraying Yuki and you are dead. Interesting diary entry that Yuno had there at the end.
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2011-10-18, 18:05 | Link #283 | ||
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Of course, the author has the handy crutch that whenever the characters do something that might seem irrational, it's because they're following the instructions in their diaries. So it's possible that for whatever reason, killing Yuki in the classroom would have meant certain death for the 9th (i.e. bringing a knife staying a second longer would have let Yuno kill her with said knife). Since the escape diary only tells her how to escape rather than how to kill people, she might do ridiculous things that will still allow her to escape with her life while hampering her ability to achieve her other objectives. I call this a crutch because it gives the author a semi-plausible way to justify more or less any of the characters' actions. Quote:
Mirai Nikki doesn't quite follow this, though, since all the supernatural stuff that's happening to Yuki is making his life worse, not better. He's trapped rather than empowered.
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2011-10-18, 18:16 | Link #285 |
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I don't consider myself pathetic 0_o
Like I'm not damn aweasome or something but I'm definetly not THAT bad! Even though in the past I had my bad,lame, pathetic and invisible times but I don't think that this kind of characters are very encouraging... If a loser gets powers and girl out of thin air it only makes me/you fall into wonderland and dream about something like that to happen to you too instead of getting your ass up and actually doing something to change things. If anything, this kind of characters are making me feel worse =/ Nah, she didn't stab him just because he is a main hero. That's why I hate main characters, I never care about them. The only exception in my book is Edward Elric, he was a perfect main hero who didn't get over powered, could kick some asses, get his ass kicked in return and have his lame moment without being annoying, a moment that did make you feel for him. Am mostly reffering to his first meeting with Barry the Chopper.
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2011-10-18, 18:53 | Link #287 | |
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@bold: You know it. I'm a bit confused about something though. Yuno said that her "Yukiteru Diary" was only able to grasp Yukkii's future by ten minutes. What's up with this entry being almost four hours in advance? |
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2011-10-18, 18:56 | Link #288 | |
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It's his only choice right now, but it's a very dangerous game to play with a yandere's heart. There are things worse than death, and I'm sure Yuno sleeps like a baby every night while dreaming about inflicting them on her enemies. It can't last too long, though, or he's just going to come off cowardly and unsympathetic, regardless of how understandable his actions might be. I can't wait to see what will trigger his development. Smart money is on him eventually manning up and wanting to help protect his (at least for now) allies. However, watching him so far, he seems to be more on the path to character development via snapping under the pressure, and becoming an dangerous psycho in his own right. I've seen "docile" boys like Yuki go feral with little warning if they get backed into a corner. Not a manga reader, but as I understood it, her diary gives updates on him in ten minute intervals (Jesus, Yuno O_O), but we don't know how far in advance the diary entries go. |
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2011-10-18, 19:52 | Link #290 | ||
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Yuno's only shows what Yukki does or what happens to him. Things that Yuno observes with her eyes. "Yukki looks depressed" not "Yukki is planning to use me." Yukki's only shows the things he observes around him, but not things that happen to him (because that's how he always used his diary before). So his diary wouldn't say what the 9th's plan was. It would just describe what he would see. If he'd been paying attention he'd have seen what would happen with his classmates, but Yukki seems to have not yet gotten the hang of using his diary, and didn't look ahead past the immediate entries. The 4th's is an investigative journal, so it would show what the evidence and eyewitnesses say about what the 9th did (in the future). So it might have revealed that he was the true target not the 1st... and guess who informed us that the 9th was really after the 4th? Oh yeah... the 4th. The 9th's diary is called the Escape diary, we don't know any more details, but we can assume it describes how she escapes. It would explain why she feels free to attack publicly and challenge the 1st and 4th at the same time. She's depending on her diary to always provide her with an escape route if it goes badly. That might extend to her preparing items such as smoke rockets and a hidden bike so as to maximize her escape possibilities. I foresee a villain that repeatedly plans huge high risk high reward high profile attacks, and then repeatedly escaping through some method pulled out of nowhere... and it's all completely justified by her diary. The 3rd had a Murder diary, supposedly recording his murders and his victims. So once he had the name of the 1st, he made Yukki his next target, and his diary describes how to corner and kill him. Looking at all the diaries they have very different aspects. The 3rd was very powerful, once he has your name you're probably dead. The only reason Yukki didn't die is because of Yuno. Yuno is also a diary holder, and so the causation line went like this: 3rd plans to murder Yukki -> Yuno sees Yukki's death in her diary -> Yuno does something to prevent this -> This changes the 3rd's diary, 3rd sees Yukki has gone somewhere else etc -> 3rd plans to kill Yukki elsewhere -> Yuno sees Yukki's death in her diary -> Yuno does something to prevent this, and so on and so on until Yuno engineered a confrontation in which the 3rd dies. This may have only been possible however, because the 3rd didn't constantly check his diary. Yukki's is also very powerful in it's breadth. Basically anything he might observe is recorded. But it's not very detailed like the 3rd. Also, it has a hole, it records nothing about himself. Yuno's is very weak but plugs that hole in Yukki's defense. It records everything about Yukki. The 4th also has a powerful diary, it records anything he might learn in his role as a detective investigating a crime. The 9th dairy is well suited to a highly flamboyant villain who is constantly in need of escaping (assuming that the name is indicative of what it does). Quote:
Oh and for all those saying Yuno is over hyped... HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA! Just wait, just wait... Yuno is the ultimate Yandere. No one else is even close. The perfect balance of love and devotion and utter Ax Crazy madness.
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2011-10-18, 20:29 | Link #291 |
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Still surprised that Ninth pulled out a bike from nowhere and managed to escape. Either way, this was a great episode in showing an alliance of future diary users going together (we'll see how long that goes though).
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2011-10-18, 20:45 | Link #293 | ||
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-Sigh- Really, a person can only be so gullible. Looks like Yuno's going to need to bail him out again. |
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2011-10-18, 20:52 | Link #294 |
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Silly question: Yuno's "Happy End" entry at the end was a bit unclear to me; is she looking at something in the relatively distant future? I noticed the date was in July, but I'm not entirely clear when "now" is. Are we to understand that this entry represents her ultimate goal? No spoilers, I'm just trying to see if I understand the implications based on what we know so far, or if I'm just misreading the scene.
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2011-10-18, 20:53 | Link #295 | |
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Now if you want to talk about gullible you ain't seen nothing yet... Lets the dairy is said to tell the future up to 90 days from the date it was given to it's user...so in anime right now should be some where in May
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2011-10-18, 20:59 | Link #296 | |
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2011-10-18, 21:09 | Link #297 | |
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Because he's a police officer? Maybe, though I get the sinking suspicion there's more to it than that... |
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2011-10-18, 21:12 | Link #298 | |
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2011-10-18, 21:17 | Link #299 | |
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He would have killed Yukkii if Yuno didn't jump out of the window and attacked Ninth. Or atleast that's how I see it, build the trust of some future diary users to stay in the game. Then later when there are less combatants to face off against, claim the prize for your own. Or maybe I'm just giving him bad credit when he could actually be a good person. But it's possible that he may want to end the game, which forces him to fight Yukkii and Yuno in the future?
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2011-10-18, 21:22 | Link #300 | |
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It might seem to make more sense if, somehow, he knew that Yuno was going to make a move and was trying to provoke her by pointing his gun at Yukkii. This is of course total guesswork, but I wouldn't put anything past these diary users. |
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