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No, it wasn't like that. It was her mother who speculated that she was shopping with her friends, and Kirino mumbled a wordless-defensive "uh-huh". A lie is something different.
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So it was maybe not a lie but the truth was obviously not revealed at all. Was my point I guess.
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You're contradicting yourself in one sentence. Either it's in any form, or it's depending on its depiction. But don't bother clarifying, I take it you're against it. Fine.
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I against it only depending on its depiction is what I meant.
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Nobody denied their existence, but the point is that they're an extremely small niche, and you are using them to stigmatize an entire genre, as if they were representative. Besides, it's most definitely not the kind of game which Kirino would be playing. Remember how she blew up when Kyousuke did as much as kick the game imouto out of "his" bed? It's safe to assume that Kirino would not tolerate a game you described in her collection.
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Well you can't say the small niche is still ok to feature despite the large being cute and fine let's say as what Kirino plays. Kirino would not tolerate this kind of games no but not sure she would side with another friend that likes them either.
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So where to draw the line? What is evil? 14 years? 13? 12? 11? Consentual sex? Nonconsentual sex? Rape?
We're deep in a grey zone here, and unless you feel that eroges shouldn't display consentual sex between teens either (then you're an extremist zealot and we have no grounds for discussion), you'll find yourself on a very slippery slope defining what's alright and what's not.
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Yes it is you are confusing on that one but there is a interest whether these games can be used to teach things sexually to teens. I think eorges should not encourage non healthy sex such as kids and adult genre eroge.
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With the same logic you have to banish action and war movies, too. And all action games aswell, while you're at it. If all it takes is a 2D depiction of a crime in 3D to argue "hey, there are people who can't distinguish, so content of this type might lead to crimes in the real world", and so the existence of these 2D things can't be tolerated", you've just killed 75% of the entertainment industry. And like I said before, on to the libraries to burn alot of books, too. And shut down the internet right away please, there are child sex predators who use it to find targets.
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Well its debatable with gov about this but China is a good example of how extreme it can be.
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The fact that something CAN be misused must _not_ lead to the simpleton result "so disallow it". Punishment needs to be attributed to 3D crimes, and the best approach to prevent the 2D-to-3D transition is information and tolerant (usually parental) oversight to correct obvious bad developments. Not zealot-style prohibition approaches, which usually backfire badly.
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Not sure about this but parental control is good however some parents work too much and thus problems arise of this.
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No, it's NOT the safest. Who gets to make the rules what is acceptable and what is not? The government?
Look at the backlash in the US after 9/11. For a while in the patriotic frenzy, it became almost criminal to oppose the war. What if opposition could officially labeled as "aiding and abetting the enemy", aka treason, by law?
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That would be interesting in terms of anime eroge in where does who look at it would be brandished freaks and sent to the hospital but TBH if the govs of the world go against anime itself not sure what might be done.....heard of something called equality now doing something like that.
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You think this was only an extreme exception? Look at what's going through the news even today. "All terrorists are muslims", says Brian Kilmeade, a Foxnews anchor. There's people who demand to outlaw the use of the Schariah even on a "all parties consent" basis (it's sometimes used to rule familial/inheritance disputes). When you allow the government to define what's acceptable to be said, written and shown and what isn't, liberty is lost very quickly. And as a German, I can assure you that we know that this is something very, very dangerous.
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Yes and I heard of the anime called Toshokan Sensou which shows something like this in a interesting way.
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I have a higher confidence in the reason of the people in an open society. Sorry.
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Yes but the problem is that not all of them are elites who could judge to accept this. Elites in the mental health for example would not accept some of this ecchi in the anime is what I got from chatting with one of them unless the person can be like Kirino to separate 2D from 3D. Which is interesting in this anime to define what people should play and have these eroges.
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and depressing to watch. Going to be hard too with subs.
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